screm Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 All the draft system does is create false averages. Take Richard Hall riding against these kids , he will get a false average of around 7 after 12 meetings and there is no way he is a 7 point rider and he will struggle when he moves into the team. Agreed it was probably against higher standard of rider, but Hall didn't exactly pull up any trees last season at reserve, he has a low average for a reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecksact Posted January 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 There's a few NL riders about who wouldn't be outclassed as replacements: Oliver Greenwood, Dan Greenwood, Ben Hopwood, Jake Knight, James Cockle, James Shanes, Tom Stokes, Danny Halsey (if he qualifies), Connor Mountain, Luke Priest! I don't know which team you follow, but I would hardly be over-excited at the thought of signing any of these guys! Dan Greenwood's actual PL average last season was 1.66 (from 13 meetings). Some might be worth a shout, I grant you, but you didn't say where you stand on the rule? I made my position clear - I'm sitting on the fence!:-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Edinburgh still looking for a big rabbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 There's a few NL riders about who wouldn't be outclassed as replacements: Oliver Greenwood, Dan Greenwood, Ben Hopwood, Jake Knight, James Cockle, James Shanes, Tom Stokes, Danny Halsey (if he qualifies), Connor Mountain, Luke Priest! JAMES COCKLE you are havin a larf !!! Edinburgh still looking for a big rabbit. get up in the early mornings , there,s always plenty about... eat , drink , chew . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 JAMES COCKLE you are havin a larf !!!.Well he has the experience, he was number 7 in the PL before... ...for Reading Racers... ...in 2004!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 He was no 7 for plymouth a few years ago aswell in the pl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Did he not ride for Glasgow too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Averages are killing the sport,that will always be my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DW Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Did he not ride for Glasgow too? Glasgow bought him from Rye House, might still own him! So called, ahem "legend killer", who had the habit of falling off when coming under pressure. Wouldnt be eligible for PL no 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Thanks DW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Averages are killing the sport,that will always be my view. When were averages not used in speedway? I've been watching since 1971 and averages were already being used then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 the difference between performance averages and team building averages. its the points building limit you should be discussing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 When were averages not used in speedway? I've been watching since 1971 and averages were already being used then.When did they put a limit on Team Building averages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 When were averages not used in speedway? I've been watching since 1971 and averages were already being used then.In 1971 yes they had rider averages but they were not used for team building purposes like they are present day, I believe if a team was deemed too strong because of there previous years success then they were told to unload maybe one or two top end riders to go to a team that had struggled the previous season, this did not effect all clubs just one or two at the top and one or two at the bottom . I believe it only effected British league division 1 as division 2 was still in its infancy and wasn't needed, I think they were called the rider control committee which was based on influencial promoters who were doing what was considered the right thing for the good of the sports future . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 At the end of 1975, Ipswich had Mick Hines moved to Wimbledon and Belle Vue had Soren Sjosten moved to Birmingham for the 1976 season, so Rider Control was in operation then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 There's a good point in there about averages though. Having to change teams around to such an extent alienates fans. I'm all for averages but there should be some way of allowing more consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 To all glasgow fans, Danny Ayres will not disapoint you, he may bin it a few times trying to hard but nobody can be faulted for that. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseq7 Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Averages are killing the sport,that will always be my view. Perhaps I've misunderstood your intention but what would you suggest instead of averages? Surely a freeforall would be farcical? Any rider can sign for any club irrespective of what would be the cummulative total of averages? If you're suggesting something along the lines of..............a team could be built of, for example, 1 off Grade A + 2 off Grade B + 2 off Grade C + 2 off Grade D I'd be kinda with you there. Edited January 14, 2016 by Joseq7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 There's a good point in there about averages though. Having to change teams around to such an extent alienates fans. I'm all for averages but there should be some way of allowing more consistency. It's better than the old 'rider control' where riders were allocated by a governing body. If the guy didn't fancy it he'd probably retire and you would get an allocation from the barrel scrapings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Perhaps I've misunderstood your intention but what would you suggest instead of averages? Surely a freeforall would be farcical? Any rider can sign for any club irrespective of what would be the cummulative total of averages? If you're suggesting something along the lines of..............a team could be built of, for example, 1 off Grade A + 2 off Grade B + 2 off Grade C + 2 off Grade D I'd be kinda with you there. And how do you propose classifying riders into Grades? From their Average? Didn't the Conference League utilise 'Rider Gradings' (11 down to 2) a decade or so ago which were based on Average, age and experience, but then all teams still had to come in under a combined Grading Limit and had to have 2 x Grade 2's and only 1 x Grade 11? Averages or Grades? Does it make a lot of difference? To provide a reasonable playing field (racing track) some form of 'limit' seems a reasonable method of equalising team strengths and, has been alluded to, has to be better than a return to Rider Control. There's no doubt that Averages in the EL have become skewed and made it more difficult to use them simply to build team strength's up to a combined set limit. but what other method can you employ? Other sports have introduced 'wage caps', but these seem to be open to all sorts of abuse. Personally, I certainly wouldn't want to run speedway under a 'who pays most' wins basis. Apologies - gone off Thread here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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