ecksact Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'm new on here, so apologies if this has already been discussed. If your 3-point reserve gets injured, what do you do? Try and find another one? Surely all the decent (and half-decent) ones have been snapped up? I personally reckon that a team's reserves could be the big difference between success and failure this season as so many of the teams look evenly matched from 1-5. I read the 2016 league prediction thread, but surely this one possibility could potentially scupper ANY teams chances, effectively leaving them with a six-man team? Or have I missed something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Three pointer has to be replaced by a three pointer even if the original one has upped his average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'm new on here, so apologies if this has already been discussed. If your 3-point reserve gets injured, what do you do? Try and find another one? Surely all the decent (and half-decent) ones have been snapped up? I personally reckon that a team's reserves could be the big difference between success and failure this season as so many of the teams look evenly matched from 1-5. I read the 2016 league prediction thread, but surely this one possibility could potentially scupper ANY teams chances, effectively leaving them with a six-man team? Or have I missed something? I disagree about teams looking evenly matched, several look to be merely making up the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) I'm new on here, so apologies if this has already been discussed. If your 3-point reserve gets injured, what do you do? Try and find another one? Surely all the decent (and half-decent) ones have been snapped up? I personally reckon that a team's reserves could be the big difference between success and failure this season as so many of the teams look evenly matched from 1-5. I read the 2016 league prediction thread, but surely this one possibility could potentially scupper ANY teams chances, effectively leaving them with a six-man team? Or have I missed something? Good question. It also raises in my mind doubt about Glasgow's choice of reserve. I don't know much about Danny, but reading from others he is allegedly a trier, but a bit harum sacrum. (Apologies if this is wrong). So maybe teams are better going for a safe bet rider who'll see out the season. Time will tell. Edited January 7, 2016 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Three pointer has to be replaced by a three pointer even if the original one has upped his average If one of the 3 pointers turns out to be the next tai woffinden and averages say 8 then gets injured before the playoffs, he will have to be replaced by a 3 pointer. That's going to be a kick in the teeth for his team. Edited January 6, 2016 by eric i 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comet49 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I disagree about teams looking evenly matched, several look to be merely making up the numbers. Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 the way i see it , all the teams are making up the numbers . thats the way it works . you cant have 1 super team and not be included in the numbers that make up the league .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecksact Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Three pointer has to be replaced by a three pointer even if the original one has upped his average I guessed that would be the case. But where is that replacement going to come from? Unless someone makes significant early strides in the National League, finding a rider close to being capable would be difficult. Do others like this rule? I can't make my mind up! It may be being introduced a bit too early as there just don't seem to be enough 3 pointers good enough to go round atm (especially if/when those injuries kick in). On the other hand, maybe that's the point - if they stay in the NL are they likely to progress and ever be good enough for PL? And if the idea is to improve young British talent, is there a danger that some might be way out of their depth and end up quitting altogether and being lost to the sport, or am I just being defeatist now? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Good question. It also raises in my mind doubt about Glasgow's choice of reserve. I don't know much about Danny, but reading from others he is allegedly a trier, but a bit harum sacrum. (Apologies if this is wrong). So maybe teams are better going for a safe bet rider who'll see out the season. Time will tell. No question that Danny is a trier and has been through plenty of fences to prove it. However he is also made of solid stuff and doesn't make a fuss about being battered about. There are plenty more reserves that are a bit fragile and have been signed. Can 3 pointers from other teams be used as guests if a number 7 gets injured? Or does the replacement have to be unattached? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willowman Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Good question. It also raises in my mind doubt about Glasgow's choice of reserve. I don't know much about Danny, but reading from others he is allegedly a trier, but a bit harum sacrum. (Apologies if this is wrong). So maybe teams are better going for a safe bet rider who'll see out the season. Time will tell. Nearly! For sacrum, read scarum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseq7 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 No question that Danny is a trier and has been through plenty of fences to prove it. However he is also made of solid stuff and doesn't make a fuss about being battered about. There are plenty more reserves that are a bit fragile and have been signed. Can 3 pointers from other teams be used as guests if a number 7 gets injured? Or does the replacement have to be unattached? There's a hundred and one questions regarding the 3 point rule. Every time I think I've got my head around it another couple of questions pop up. I don't really know anything about Danny but as Glasgow are my team I'll be cheering him on, of course. However, I can't be hypocrytical and not say that signing a guy in his late 20s, albeit a novice, wasn't really the objective of this 3.0 NL rule. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willowman Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I just hope we don't have the situation we did a few years ago with two graded reserves at 6 & 7 tootling around at the back. At least we only may have half that situation now. Could destroy a few riders confidence though in the process. As for the in's and out's of the rules, who knows until they are published/changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 obviously a shortage already decent 3.00 riders, what happens next season when these riders become 3.10 , 3.50 etc will the rules change again ? don't think this was thought out personally I would have said, your no7 should be british and under 3.50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 There's a hundred and one questions regarding the 3 point rule. Every time I think I've got my head around it another couple of questions pop up. I don't really know anything about Danny but as Glasgow are my team I'll be cheering him on, of course. However, I can't be hypocrytical and not say that signing a guy in his late 20s, albeit a novice, wasn't really the objective of this 3.0 NL rule. All depends on your point of view. Personally I think the rule was brought in to aid the development of British riders (whatever age they may be) and give them a PL chance that many deserve but have often found hard to come by as they have been filled with either non progressing brits or foreign riders. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 All depends on your point of view. Personally I think the rule was brought in to aid the development of British riders (whatever age they may be) and give them a PL chance that many deserve but have often found hard to come by as they have been filled with either non progressing brits or foreign riders. It's not exactly mind boggling is it. Reserve a place in every team to accommodate a young British rider. Should have been done years ago, and is a natural progression to add one spot in the PL to go with the Fast Track riders in the EL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 obviously a shortage already decent 3.00 riders, what happens next season when these riders become 3.10 , 3.50 etc will the rules change again ? don't think this was thought out personally I would have said, your no7 should be british and under 3.50 i agree with this post. but we will have to see after the 2016 season ends and see how far the goalposts move , again . why put things off today, when you can put them off tomorrow .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 i agree with this post. but we will have to see after the 2016 season ends and see how far the goalposts move , again . why put things off today, when you can put them off tomorrow .. How far the goalposts move is anyones guess. If it was me running the show I would reset all the riders back to a flat 3.00 after their first season as it would be a learning / experience year then let them gain an average on year 2. Obviously those who flourished in the first year would be most desirable and those who struggled may be omitted for a new rider. That way it allows riders 2 years to see if they can make it & 2 years for the next crop to emerge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 obviously a shortage already decent 3.00 riders, what happens next season when these riders become 3.10 , 3.50 etc will the rules change again ? don't think this was thought out personally I would have said, your no7 should be british and under 3.50 Then you'd probably be giving places to some who have never shown signs of going beyond that. Obviously the rules will change when the need arrises, much as has happened in the EL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILYRAG Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 All the draft system does is create false averages. Take Richard Hall riding against these kids , he will get a false average of around 7 after 12 meetings and there is no way he is a 7 point rider and he will struggle when he moves into the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I guessed that would be the case. But where is that replacement going to come from? Unless someone makes significant early strides in the National League, finding a rider close to being capable would be difficult. Do others like this rule? I can't make my mind up! It may be being introduced a bit too early as there just don't seem to be enough 3 pointers good enough to go round atm (especially if/when those injuries kick in). On the other hand, maybe that's the point - if they stay in the NL are they likely to progress and ever be good enough for PL? And if the idea is to improve young British talent, is there a danger that some might be way out of their depth and end up quitting altogether and being lost to the sport, or am I just being defeatist now? Thoughts? There's a few NL riders about who wouldn't be outclassed as replacements: Oliver Greenwood, Dan Greenwood, Ben Hopwood, Jake Knight, James Cockle, James Shanes, Tom Stokes, Danny Halsey (if he qualifies), Connor Mountain, Luke Priest! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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