heathen chemistry Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 would it be feasible for clubs to offer a live streaming subscription service ? or a ppv service per meeting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 On a basic level this could be done very easily at little cost for the person filming it and at no cost for viewers. It could even be done for free using Periscope app I know some clubs did some testing but could not be taken any further as was deemed to conflict with the Go Speed & Sky sports deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 What ever happened to the bet365 streaming used to enjoy that I know it was very basic but to just have the sound of the meeting no commentary I found quiet soothing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Is this a serious thread? Has someone been celebrating New Year slightly too much? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted January 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 there are an ever increasing number of elderly fan who through ill health simply find it impossible to attend many meetings . surely this could be the answer for some of those.clubs would get zero income for non attendees but would at least get something for those subscibers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 On the contrary. Clubs like Birmingham get most of their revenue from the Derby & Joan Club's day out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted January 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 I was talking more about the not mobile fans...as fans are getting older its inevitable some will find it impossible to travel to meetings .also the live streaming if possible could attract new fans maybe by putting it out there as an app on ifone etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Of course all older folk have I-phones :rofl: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Of course all older folk have I-phones :rofl: Or a 6-year-old great great great grandchild that has one...This is a family sport after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 there are an ever increasing number of elderly fan who through ill health simply find it impossible to attend many meetings . surely this could be the answer for some of those.clubs would get zero income for non attendees but would at least get something for those subscibers The problem would be if fans choose to stay at home and watch the streams. For every stay at home fan the club looses £17 minus the cost of watching the stream (say£4). That means you'd need four streaming customers to cover the cost of one stay at home fan. Clubs wouldn't be prepared to take the risk that streaming meeting live couldn't cause hundreds of fans to watch from the comfort of their living rooms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 The problem would be if fans choose to stay at home and watch the streams. For every stay at home fan the club looses £17 minus the cost of watching the stream (say£4). That means you'd need four streaming customers to cover the cost of one stay at home fan. Clubs wouldn't be prepared to take the risk that streaming meeting live couldn't cause hundreds of fans to watch from the comfort of their living rooms. In their naivety the promoters however did see the £ signs in the Go speed / betting industry contract in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 The problem would be if fans choose to stay at home and watch the streams. For every stay at home fan the club looses £17 minus the cost of watching the stream (say£4). That means you'd need four streaming customers to cover the cost of one stay at home fan. Clubs wouldn't be prepared to take the risk that streaming meeting live couldn't cause hundreds of fans to watch from the comfort of their living rooms. simple solution put the cost to view at £20, that way the club gets the original entrance fee(£17) and the broadcaster gets £3, the viewer saves on petrol etc...everyones a winner....most speedway venues are leased to the speedway promoter so they wont miss that secondary spend by the supporter in the bars/food outlets....they could also produce an electronic programme for fans to download on line per meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 In their naivety the promoters however did see the £ signs in the Go speed / betting industry contract in 2014. I wonder which way round it was? Did the promoters "go for it" or was the deal thrust upon them by Ronnie Russell (t/a Slow Speed International Ltd) on the back of his latest mortgage installment pay-off by Bet365? I wonder what any promoter actually earned from it. On the other hand, there were several home meetings that year that I happily watched on Bet365 rather than going to the track, and I know others that did the same. So that deal cost several admission tickets to be sure. Make it easy for the fans to be lazy and lazy fans is what you'll get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Good luck getting these chancers to pay 20 quid. If you asked them for a fiver they'd start with all the 'ooooh but I'm a poor pensioner' stuff. At the end of the day the number who are actually infirm enough to not go is tiny. The majority are final salary pensioners living the high life and too damn LAZY to get out of their chair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 I wonder which way round it was? Did the promoters "go for it" or was the deal thrust upon them by Ronnie Russell (t/a Slow Speed International Ltd) on the back of his latest mortgage installment pay-off by Bet365? I wonder what any promoter actually earned from it. On the other hand, there were several home meetings that year that I happily watched on Bet365 rather than going to the track, and I know others that did the same. So that deal cost several admission tickets to be sure. Make it easy for the fans to be lazy and lazy fans is what you'll get. I am assuming you wrote Ronnie but meant Terry ! - it certainly was a short lived experiment. I should imagine the promoters did agree to give it the go ahead but whether they were aware that anyone with just a small amount of money in an account could watch is conjecture. Maybe they thought that anyone betting on a particular race could watch that race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 In their naivety the promoters however did see the £ signs in the Go speed / betting industry contract in 2014. It would be interesting to know if Go Speed/BSPA received any compensation or whether was a "free" experiment? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 I am not sure who got paid what for the betting deal but do know it cost just under £7000 to setup all the tracks to do this and then around £359-400 per meeting to broadcast so the book makers had to win a lot of money off customers to make it pay especially as the average bet was only £1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Keep the bookies away if at all possible IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 if the reason is that no body would go if it was on tv / streamed then the premier football would of gone bankrupt yrs ago..almost every match is on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 The Bet365 experience does suggest again that Go Speed aren't that adept at setting up, or understanding the full consequences of deals. Either that or they just have to take what's on offer. I just wonder whether there is any analysis by the BSPA of the decline of attendances in 2014 and, logically if the streaming was losing them customers, the rise back in 2015. It would be interesting to know exactly how damaging it was in reality, rather than in theory. Okay, the Go Speed deals have fairly regular league matches on Sky and in the case of the earlier deals a useful sponsorship subsidy. I get concerned though that other aspects of the deal severely restrict people being able to promote the sport via social media due to Sky having such exclusivity. If something remarkable happens at a meeting there's no chance of it going 'viral' due to the restrictions. A lot of promotion online is by someone (professional or amateur) posting photos or video that get shared, and shared, and shared. It's pretty tough to do that in speedway. I think we're missing an opportunity. If one of the video companies catches some remarkable incident it should be out there, getting the sport noticed! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.