steve roberts Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Simon Cross could be questionable on occasions! Remember the occasion at Dudley Wood, back in 1985, when he didn't turn left entering the first bend and just drifted wide taking Simon Wigg with him. 'Wiggy' had to pull up otherwise he would have hit the fence. 'Wiggy' was not a happy bunny when interviewed (the match was televised by ATV) after the race! Cross did the same thing to Andy Grahame in the same meeting! First saw Simon Cross in 1982 when he made his debut riding for Oxford. He was obviously talented but could be erratic on occasions. Didn't last long at Cowley after an altercation with Ashley Pullen. Edited December 28, 2015 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Don't like to bring Kelvin into this, I wouldn't have ever classed him as dirty. However, I'm reminded of a "straight-on-at-the-first-turn" incident when he nearly took out Mark Loram at Brandon. And Loram was his team-mate! KT was at the back end of his career at that time, riding at reserve for Arena Essex if memory serves me right. Loram managed to stay on and finish last, and KT apologised in the pits afterwards. I didn't quite catch Mark's reply, but it seemed to be mostly words of one syllable. Edited December 28, 2015 by Robert Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Matousek and Rob Grant from opposing riders. From a Falcons perspective , you really didnt want to be on the outside of Alan Rivett or Frank Andersen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 wood , wire, metal fences, and Jim Squibb....don't try the outside Different attitude in those days I guess, used to work for Jim and he made no secret of the fact that there were riders who he had no problems riding really hard and even the odd one he would put down. Don't think he would have deliberately injured anybody but there were those I don't think he would have worried about if it ended that way. Tough old boy even in his 60's and racing just as hard at Rallycross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I'm sure Sam knocked David Howe off at Peterborough which resulted in a broken leg for David. Howe tried to lean in on Sam and came off more like. Nothing more than a racing incident.. and Howe didn't break his leg. Worst move I have ever seen, as I have mentioned on other threads was Matej Zagar on Buzz Burrows. Totally pre-meditated and highly dangerous. Never seen anything close to it before or after in hundreds of meetings attended. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestrade1983 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 As much as he was brilliant to watch at his best,Gollob did make some diabolical moves across the track to block people Think a guy called Ivor Brown was notorious back in the day and if I am right he was the only rider to make Ivan Mauger lose his cool and deliberately go out to get someone That's why Boycie gave him a set of fives in 1995 hackney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 I remember when in a last heat decider at newport andre compton completely stuffed mads korneliussen into the second bend fence as mads was about to pass him, no doubt in my mind that he totally intended to put him over the fence. That was a meeting packed with controversy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 In the pl over the last 20 years, weve seen many dirty riders as well as some hard but fair. In the early 00s, we had a batch of riders who would go to another extreme to pass or defend their lead. Paul pickering, phil morris, andre compton, sean wilson. They strike me as the four stand out dirty riders. Nothing against them, all entertainers, but some of their moves were borderline disgraceful. Sure there are plenty more to add to the list over the past 20 years, el and pl! Also whilst on subject, whats the dirtiest move youve seen in a race. I honestly cant pinpoint one, i remember smart and danny bird being horrendous in 03ish but that was more smart just over riding and being careless - nothing intentional. This has the potential to be a very interesting thread - please no cretins like starman come on here and ruin it. Your forgetting Mick Powell's move on Emil Lindqvist bend 4 at Newport there Pinnny lad....... and the resulting stamp on the shoulder that pretty much ruined his career! that was a case of going after a rider if I've ever seen one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Your forgetting Mick Powell's move on Emil Lindqvist bend 4 at Newport there Pinnny lad....... and the resulting stamp on the shoulder that pretty much ruined his career! that was a case of going after a rider if I've ever seen one I thought it was actually Emil who took off one of the glasgow reserves on the back straight? Yet somehow didnt get excluded but got back to the pit gate and all hell broke loose. Wasnt it that berk will beveridge who stamped on emils shoulder? That move without doubt finished Emil Lindqvist as a top rider - he had an amazing career ahead of him as well. I remember Wato was sublime coming from 15 metres back in thick clouds of dust to win us that meeting, they were happy days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 I thought it was actually Emil who took off one of the glasgow reserves on the back straight? Yet somehow didnt get excluded but got back to the pit gate and all hell broke loose. Wasnt it that berk will beveridge who stamped on emils shoulder? That move without doubt finished Emil Lindqvist as a top rider - he had an amazing career ahead of him as well. I remember Wato was sublime coming from 15 metres back in thick clouds of dust to win us that meeting, they were happy days! There was so much dust he probably cut across the centre green or was it the centre dirt, to catch us. Never saw a track being watered with one 1inch hose, there was more pressure when I went for a piss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 There was so much dust he probably cut across the centre green or was it the centre dirt, to catch us. Never saw a track being watered with one 1inch hose, there was more pressure when I went for a piss. He waa just on fire that day and was no stopping him, scored about 20 points i recall? Your management and riders actions that day were an absolute disgrace, stamping over a young kids shoulder when hes been thrown to the ground. How beveridge escaped with only a fine is beyond me, and one of your managers or promoters trying to stick the boot in as well. Complete cowardly actions but we won the match and won the return at glasgow so justice was served! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike7164 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 I seem to remember that a Doctor was watching the meeting/crash on TV ? and went to the hospital as he had spotted something that he knew would be helpful to identify his injuries. In the later part of his career Paul Pickering got a bit of a reputation for dirty moves. He came to Brough in about 2002 after being a junior with us, before he had gone to Bradford. He was a trapper and held off KB for three laps, with KB trying the inside line. On the last lap, KB tried to do a full swoop around the outside of the 4th bend, and Pickering just drove to the fence and forced him into it. KB came off with a very damaged bike, and a helmet full of blood. We got his helmet off, and he had bit through his tongue, which was bleeding badly. Eventually got some orange drink for him to wash his mouth out and off to hospital. Pickering excluded. I have that meeting Ts can you remember the other controversies in it ha ha? I can!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 I thought it was actually Emil who took off one of the glasgow reserves on the back straight? Yet somehow didnt get excluded but got back to the pit gate and all hell broke loose. Wasnt it that berk will beveridge who stamped on emils shoulder? That move without doubt finished Emil Lindqvist as a top rider - he had an amazing career ahead of him as well. I remember Wato was sublime coming from 15 metres back in thick clouds of dust to win us that meeting, they were happy days! your actually right I think it was someone hit him off waiting to go into the pits as a head lock came in at the same time!!! too many Xmas beer blurring the memory!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 your actually right I think it was someone hit him off waiting to go into the pits as a head lock came in at the same time!!! too many Xmas beer blurring the memory!! He was on his way back to the pits when someone headlocked him and he was wrestled to the floor by about half a doZen glasgow riders and management, once on the floor was repetitively kicked in the head and shoulder. I think he came back a few weeks after when his injury had healed and i am pretty sure he had a clash with pickering now youve mentioned it, on turn four at newport. I think that was a season ending crash? Still, beveridge was fully to blame for his recurring shoulder injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 I have that meeting Ts can you remember the other controversies in it ha ha? I can!! I can't Michael, giz a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 nicki pedersens brother ronni was vermin on a bike imo. phil morris was the southern equivalent of james grieves, both very tough hard riders but i wouldnt go as far as dirty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelle Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 A while back in Speedway Star, My hero Dougy Flyer Wyer admitted bringing Martin Ashby off on purpose, as payback for something that happened previously in another meeting, can't remember the full details(someone will tell us)....A lso for anyone who hasn't seen it Type Roman Matousek v Sean Wilson into Youtube...absolute Gold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 nicki pedersens brother ronni was vermin on a bike imo. phil morris was the southern equivalent of james grieves, both very tough hard riders but i wouldnt go as far as dirty Phil Morris wasn't dirty just out of control. I enjoyed watching Ronni Pedersen, never had him down as vermin but guess some people see things differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van wolfswinkel Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 wood , wire, metal fences, and Jim Squibb....don't try the outside Squibbo...the darling of The Ole Kent Road, and my fav New Cross rider in 1963. That Ryan Fisher is a dirty sod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 nicki pedersens brother ronni was vermin on a bike imo. phil morris was the southern equivalent of james grieves, both very tough hard riders but i wouldnt go as far as dirty If you had seem Morris drive David through the fence at Ashfield you would not think it was hard riding. . Vermin would be too good a name for the thug, personally I think he should have been charged with G.B.H. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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