martinmauger Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) ."Off-topic slightly, Sudden Sam has cropped up on here. Was it my imagination, or did he have a habit of inexplicably falling off on the 3rd/4th bends all by himself? I've seen him do it more than once at both Brandon & Monmore." Sam did that a few times at Hull, Craven Park in 1999 also. He was mostly brilliant though and performed some breath-taking passes too. Go figure.... Edited December 26, 2015 by Martin Mauger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 As much as he was brilliant to watch at his best,Gollob did make some diabolical moves across the track to block people Think a guy called Ivor Brown was notorious back in the day and if I am right he was the only rider to make Ivan Mauger lose his cool and deliberately go out to get someone I saw Ivor Brown on numerous occasions way back when and can't say I remember him being dirty. Determined and forceful yes and worth the admission price to see him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Martin Goodwin putting David Walsh over the fence at Shawfield almost disemboweling him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) Magnus Zetterstrom putting Christian Henry through the fence.. Ref kicked him out of the rest of the meeting.. And Ben Powell letting go of his moving bike and letting it plough into Kenni Larsen after a race had ended Edited December 27, 2015 by KEITH M 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ben91 Posted December 27, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Steve Boxall, sometimes he doesn't clean his kevlars or bikes between meetings. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Carl 'The Spear' Askew was a tough uncompromising competitor. Robert Holllingsworth had less than complimentary things to say about him in an interview some years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) Magnus Zetterstrom putting Christian Henry through the fence.. Ref kicked him out of the rest of the meeting.. And Ben Powell letting go of his moving bike and letting it plough into Kenni Larsen after a race had ended Saw the incident with Ivor Brown and Mauger in about 1963 and it was dirty from both riders. Brown was brutal on Mauger on the Saturday at Cradley putting him deliberately in the fence. On the following Monday at Brough got his revenge. Mauger was inside Brown and Bill Andrew was on the outside of Brown. Mauger had told Andrew what was going to happen, and advised him to keep out of the way. Tapes up and Andrew made a good gate. Mauger took Brown to the fence and into it, but unfortunately Bill Andrew got it as well. The only real time I saw Mauger really fired up and dirty. In 1999, Sean Wilson in third place hehind Derrol Keats on the back straight, went under him and made no attempt to turn and drove straight into Robert Erikson mid 3rd/4th bend, wrecking his bike and breaking Robert's collarbone. Sean excluded but allowed to continue in the meeting, and we had to use I think Dave McAllan for the rest of the meeting. Ended as a draw in a meeting we should have won. Sean notoriously hated foreign riders and regularly used to go for Bjarne. One of the dirtiest riders around. Ask Peter Carr after his second bend tumble in a PLRC at Sheffield. Agree with Keith above about the Zorro crash with Christian Henry. Zorro's footrest tore a chunk out of Christian's bum in what was a blatant fencing by a rider with a reputation for doing the same before and after. Congrats to Ref Stuart Wilson for having the guts to exclude Zorro from the meeting as he reset a precedent to exclude riders for a whole meeting. Edited December 27, 2015 by Tsunami 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Ludvig Lindgren making no attempt to turn into corner three and taking Kim Jansson straight through the safety fence in Sweden giving Kim Jansson a broken thigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 ."Off-topic slightly, Sudden Sam has cropped up on here. Was it my imagination, or did he have a habit of inexplicably falling off on the 3rd/4th bends all by himself? I've seen him do it more than once at both Brandon & Monmore." Sam did that a few times at Hull, Craven Park in 1999 also. He was mostly brilliant though and performed some breath-taking passes too. Go figure.... I also noticed that at the time, and he also did it in Monday night TV meetings. He seemed to occasionally have balance problems and slid off for no reason to blame. Never a bad 'off' just a slide off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I also noticed that at the time, and he also did it in Monday night TV meetings. He seemed to occasionally have balance problems and slid off for no reason to blame. Never a bad 'off' just a slide off. I recall seeing Sam at Poole in 1984 when, having worked his way thru' from last to second, he fell off on his own accord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Dakota North deliberatly putting Ben Barker through the fence at Foxhall and Mick Poole doing the same to Mark Loram at Peterborough are 2 dispicable acts I've seen on a speedway track. I also remember Jeremy Doncaster in 1987 being hard on a young 16 year old Loram and Jeremy's wife refusing to talk to him after the meeting as she said it was awful what he did to a young rider bit of a theme going there North and Poole both have something in common with their modern counterparts Holder and Doyle . however the worst incident I have ever seen can be attributed to Carl Blackbird , causing a career ending and life threatening injury to Simon Green at Sheffield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Ludvig Lindgren making no attempt to turn into corner three and taking Kim Jansson straight through the safety fence in Sweden giving Kim Jansson a broken thigh That reminds me of one of the very few times Hans Nielsen got injured. He turned VERY late into the first bend with Billy Hamill outside him, with predictable result. Of course, we all blamed Billy. After all, it was a Cov-Cradley needle match, and Billy should have known Hans would do that if he made the gate......!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I never witnessed it, but Chris Morton has admitted to deliberately knocking off Alan Grahame in an accident in which Grahame broke his leg. I'm sure he can't be the only rider to do it. It was definitely deliberate, I was there and saw it. However, it was well known tha Grahame was dirty on a weekly basis and would take riders to the fence on bend 1 of the race from the tapes. A friend and I used to discuss this and we thought that if he tried this on Alan Wilkinson he would come out the worst. So we we went to the Birmingham v Belle Vue match. Lo and behold Wilkinson wasn't involved because Grahame did it to Morton first who chased after him and took full retribution. I have to admit bias in my views, as a Wolves fan, Grahame was enemy number 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I saw Ivor Brown on numerous occasions way back when and can't say I remember him being dirty. Determined and forceful yes and worth the admission price to see him. It all depends where the border line id between being very hard as opposed to being deliberately dirty. Ivor Brown certainly had a reputation as a hard man but I have never heard or read anything about him diliberately being dirty. I believe Browns own career was effectively ended when a hard move firm Ove Fundin put him through the fence, causing serious back injuries. Did forum member see that or can comment ? Saw the incident with Ivor Brown and Mauger in about 1963 and it was dirty from both riders. Brown was brutal on Mauger on the Saturday ar Cradley putting him deliberately in the fence. On the following Monday at Brought got his revenge. Mauger was inside Brown and Bill Andrew was on the outside of Brown. Mauger had told Andrew what was going to happen, and advised him to keep out of the way. Tapes up and Andrew made a good gate. Mauger took Brown to the fence and into it, but unfortunately Bill Andrew got it as well. The only real time I saw Mauger really fired up and dirty. According Malcom Simmons DVD , Bill Andrew was one of the very few riders Siimo regarded as being deliberately dirty and who would put riders into the fence for the fun it if he got the chance. A nasty piece of work according to Simmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummiestormer Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Preben Eriksen and Dave Kennett lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 It all depends where the border line id between being very hard as opposed to being deliberately dirty. Ivor Brown certainly had a reputation as a hard man but I have never heard or read anything about him diliberately being dirty. I believe Browns own career was effectively ended when a hard move firm Ove Fundin put him through the fence, causing serious back injuries. Did forum member see that or can comment ? According Malcom Simmons DVD , Bill Andrew was one of the very few riders Siimo regarded as being deliberately dirty and who would put riders into the fence for the fun it if he got the chance. A nasty piece of work according to Simmo Yes I saw that crash at Wimbledon in an Internationale Meeting. Brown tried to go found the outside of Fundin on the first bend but Ove didn't turn his bike at all and Ivor was left sprawled over the safety fence . (If my memory serves me well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 It all depends where the border line id between being very hard as opposed to being deliberately dirty. Ivor Brown certainly had a reputation as a hard man but I have never heard or read anything about him diliberately being dirty. I believe Browns own career was effectively ended when a hard move firm Ove Fundin put him through the fence, causing serious back injuries. Did forum member see that or can comment ? I seem to remember that a Doctor was watching the meeting/crash on TV ? and went to the hospital as he had spotted something that he knew would be helpful to identify his injuries. In the later part of his career Paul Pickering got a bit of a reputation for dirty moves. He came to Brough in about 2002 after being a junior with us, before he had gone to Bradford. He was a trapper and held off KB for three laps, with KB trying the inside line. On the last lap, KB tried to do a full swoop around the outside of the 4th bend, and Pickering just drove to the fence and forced him into it. KB came off with a very damaged bike, and a helmet full of blood. We got his helmet off, and he had bit through his tongue, which was bleeding badly. Eventually got some orange drink for him to wash his mouth out and off to hospital. Pickering excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 So how would you describe these dirty riders? Spiteful, ruthless ba****ds, dumb, untalented .... or a mixture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrhbig Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 wood , wire, metal fences, and Jim Squibb....don't try the outside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I seem to remember that a Doctor was watching the meeting/crash on TV ? and went to the hospital as he had spotted something that he knew would be helpful to identify his injuries. In the later part of his career Paul Pickering got a bit of a reputation for dirty moves. He came to Brough in about 2002 after being a junior with us, before he had gone to Bradford. He was a trapper and held off KB for three laps, with KB trying the inside line. On the last lap, KB tried to do a full swoop around the outside of the 4th bend, and Pickering just drove to the fence and forced him into it. KB came off with a very damaged bike, and a helmet full of blood. We got his helmet off, and he had bit through his tongue, which was bleeding badly. Eventually got some orange drink for him to wash his mouth out and off to hospital. Pickering excluded. Pickering was a good rider when he wanted to be, but also seen him pull off some shocking moves and he was well known to be a dirty rider back in his day. Was superb around exeter though and a top guest for Newport there before, as was Scott Swain (what happened to him?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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