Pinny Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) In the pl over the last 20 years, weve seen many dirty riders as well as some hard but fair. In the early 00s, we had a batch of riders who would go to another extreme to pass or defend their lead. Paul pickering, phil morris, andre compton, sean wilson. They strike me as the four stand out dirty riders. Nothing against them, all entertainers, but some of their moves were borderline disgraceful. Sure there are plenty more to add to the list over the past 20 years, el and pl! Also whilst on subject, whats the dirtiest move youve seen in a race. I honestly cant pinpoint one, i remember smart and danny bird being horrendous in 03ish but that was more smart just over riding and being careless - nothing intentional. This has the potential to be a very interesting thread - please no cretins like starman come on here and ruin it. Edited December 26, 2015 by Pinny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 How can you decide what is dirty, it's accepted practice to close gaps and it's accepted that some will make the effort to squeeze through or widen a gap to go through? If that action is the result of a rider declaring or thinking that "Joe Bloggs is in this race and I'm going to try and knock him off" then it's dirty but mostly it's just trying too hard or being prepared to take a few risks, without premeditation. Actually, with some of the threads being dreamed up recently, it would seem that too many people are short of something to do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 How can you decide what is dirty, it's accepted practice to close gaps and it's accepted that some will make the effort to squeeze through or widen a gap to go through? If that action is the result of a rider declaring or thinking that "Joe Bloggs is in this race and I'm going to try and knock him off" then it's dirty but mostly it's just trying too hard or being prepared to take a few risks, without premeditation. Actually, with some of the threads being dreamed up recently, it would seem that too many people are short of something to do. Agree foamfence, how can you separate from dirty to hard riding. I can honestly say all the years ive been watching speedway i cant say ive witnessed a rider who has blatant knocked another rider off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 In the pl over the last 20 years, weve seen many dirty riders as well as some hard but fair. In the early 00s, we had a batch of riders who would go to another extreme to pass or defend their lead. Paul pickering, phil morris, andre compton, sean wilson. They strike me as the four stand out dirty riders. Nothing against them, all entertainers, but some of their moves were borderline disgraceful. Sure there are plenty more to add to the list over the past 20 years, el and pl! Also whilst on subject, whats the dirtiest move youve seen in a race. I honestly cant pinpoint one, i remember smart and danny bird being horrendous in 03ish but that was more smart just over riding and being careless - nothing intentional. This has the potential to be a very interesting thread - please no cretins like starman come on here and ruin it. Christmas Day must've been a blinder round your house. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highside Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 In the pl over the last 20 years, weve seen many dirty riders as well as some hard but fair. In the early 00s, we had a batch of riders who would go to another extreme to pass or defend their lead. Paul pickering, phil morris, andre compton, sean wilson. They strike me as the four stand out dirty riders. Nothing against them, all entertainers, but some of their moves were borderline disgraceful. Sure there are plenty more to add to the list over the past 20 years, el and pl! Also whilst on subject, whats the dirtiest move youve seen in a race. I honestly cant pinpoint one, i remember smart and danny bird being horrendous in 03ish but that was more smart just over riding and being careless - nothing intentional. This has the potential to be a very interesting thread - please no cretins like starman come on here and ruin it. I wouldnt say the four riders above were dirty hard yes dirty no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Agree foamfence, how can you separate from dirty to hard riding. I can honestly say all the years ive been watching speedway i cant say ive witnessed a rider who has blatant knocked another rider off I never witnessed it, but Chris Morton has admitted to deliberately knocking off Alan Grahame in an accident in which Grahame broke his leg. I'm sure he can't be the only rider to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) As much as he was brilliant to watch at his best,Gollob did make some diabolical moves across the track to block people Think a guy called Ivor Brown was notorious back in the day and if I am right he was the only rider to make Ivan Mauger lose his cool and deliberately go out to get someone Edited December 26, 2015 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) Christmas Day must've been a blinder round your house. it was - however boxing day, which was when this post was written, wasnt as good as ive been sat on a coach most of the day travelling down to adelaide! Edited December 26, 2015 by Pinny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 As much as he was brilliant to watch at his best,Gollob did make some diabolical moves across the track to block people Think a guy called Ivor Brown was notorious back in the day and if I am right he was the only rider to make Ivan Mauger lose his cool and deliberately go out to get someone Yep, spot on Iris, Ivor Brown hard as nails in his Cradley Heath days I never witnessed it, but Chris Morton has admitted to deliberately knocking off Alan Grahame in an accident in which Grahame broke his leg. I'm sure he can't be the only rider to do it. Would never have put Mort down to be like that, but there you go, every days a school day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Vissing against Paul Cooper at Sheffield, the only rider I can say deliberately knocked another rider off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Paul Hurry, The lad Goodwin from Arena, Steve Gresham, Roman Matousek, Ulrich Ostergaard are just a few that come into the hard/dirty category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Matousek on Robert Nagy and Phil Morris on David McAllan both life threatening injuries. To this day David struggles to get through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Can't remember who it was that ended Jan Steachmann's career,but I don't think Jan was too happy about the incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) Can't remember who it was that ended Jan Steachmann's career,but I don't think Jan was too happy about the incident Yea, a few grey cells have retired since that incident, who's gonna jog our memories on this one....? Edited December 26, 2015 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Yea, a few grey cells have retired since that incident, who's gonna jog our memories on this one....? I apologise if I got the wrong name but was it Sean Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 I'm sure Sam knocked David Howe off at Peterborough which resulted in a broken leg for David. Also at the Ben fund at Rye House I remember Leigh Adams of all people being particularly hard on Nicki Pedersen resulting In Nicki ploughing through the fence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 .....foamfence......Actually, with some of the threads being dreamed up recently, it would seem that too many people are short of something to do. Not really as it passes the Winter away and this one seems interesting enough. The only genuine intentional dirty move I can remember is Mick McKeon and Mike Lohmann at a Belle Vue v Halifax match back in the 80's (I think) when both riders ended up in hospital. I can't recall now which rider started it off on one bend but the other one retaliated on the next one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Having watched Sean Wilson for 3 years home and away every match I certainly wouldn't say he was dirty at all...I wouldn't have even particularly said he was a hard rider..not during that period of the early 90's anyway .. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 I think N Pedersen is the only deliberately dirty rider I've seen. Many are guilty of bad judgement and over-riding, but it's rarely deliberate. Generally speaking, I think most of the top riders will be much harder on riders of equal ability than they would be on lesser riders, Nicki excepted. I seem to remember him being decked by his own junior team-mate Wayne Carter in the Brandon pits after one particularly nasty move. Off-topic slightly, Sudden Sam has cropped up on here. Was it my imagination, or did he have a habit of inexplicably falling off on the 3rd/4th bends all by himself? I've seen him do it more than once at both Brandon & Monmore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Dakota North deliberatly putting Ben Barker through the fence at Foxhall and Mick Poole doing the same to Mark Loram at Peterborough are 2 dispicable acts I've seen on a speedway track. I also remember Jeremy Doncaster in 1987 being hard on a young 16 year old Loram and Jeremy's wife refusing to talk to him after the meeting as she said it was awful what he did to a young rider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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