LisaColette Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 No I'm not!! Their should be NO Tactical Rides and NO Tactical Substitutes. Teams should stand or fall on the number of points they score on the Track. There should be no other amendments to Rules to fiddle closer Results. NOW THAT WOULD BE FAIR!! I have NEVER argued for that. (See my above Post). Might be fair but bloomin' boring!! I like close meetings though it is annoying when it costs you meetings but hey-ho. It's the price you pay for sky being involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Might be fair but bloomin' boring!! I like close meetings though it is annoying when it costs you meetings but hey-ho. It's the price you pay for sky being involved. That is my exact point about unfairness. Doesn't happen very often - but crucially - it can and does happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Might be fair but bloomin' boring!! I like close meetings though it is annoying when it costs you meetings but hey-ho. It's the price you pay for sky being involved. I never really got into the artificial tension brought in by keeping the scores close.For me the excitement is on the track and how the racing goes,not the statistics in the programme.If the racing is poor I get bored even if the scores are close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 I never really got into the artificial tension brought in by keeping the scores close.For me the excitement is on the track and how the racing goes,not the statistics in the programme.If the racing is poor I get bored even if the scores are close I totally agree. I've never understood why some get quite orgasmic about the t/r or the t/s ride. I can just about see something of merit in the t/r if the rider in question goes off 15 metres but otherwise I can't see the point. A good race is a good race whatever the helmet colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 That is my exact point about unfairness. Doesn't happen very often - but crucially - it can and does happen. But you went when tac subs changed far more results than double points ...you comments have nothing to with unfairness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 That is my exact point about unfairness. Doesn't happen very often - but crucially - it can and does happen. No it isn't your exact point because you attended for 50 years.. then when it was changed to a fairer rule, you stopped going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 But you went when tac subs changed far more results than double points ...you comments have nothing to with unfairness No it isn't your exact point because you attended for 50 years.. then when it was changed to a fairer rule, you stopped going. Oh Dear. Yes - I attended Speedway in the days of the old Tactical Substitute - I didn't agree with it then - but - I put up with it. Yes - I also attended for many years watching the Tactical Ride which used to incense me. Eventually I got to the point of saying to myself - I don't need this - for Health reasons alone I am packing it in until the Double Points is no more. If it stays - no more Speedway for me. I don't have to explain myself to you two but I have done so in good faith. Now if 'Dumb and Dumber' would take my reasons for packing in as the truth - perhaps we can move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think when you say you "can't be bothered changing arrangements " in order to watch the Newcastle matches where the tr rule is not in force (ie. The koc matches) it weakens your argument that the tr rule is the only factor. Surely if you still loved your speedway you'd cease the opportunity to go to those? End of the day you've stated your position so many times that regardless of the truth you can't back down now,and Noone categorically prove/disprove your statement either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think when you say you "can't be bothered changing arrangements " in order to watch the Newcastle matches where the tr rule is not in force (ie. The koc matches) it weakens your argument that the tr rule is the only factor. Surely if you still loved your speedway you'd cease the opportunity to go to those? End of the day you've stated your position so many times that regardless of the truth you can't back down now,and Noone categorically prove/disprove your statement either way. I think you will find the word you are looking for is - 'seize'. 'Cease', in my case fits very well though. Again - I don't have to explain myself to you - but - I will. I am involved at Church on Sundays so it is not possible for me to get to the Speedway at Newcastle at the moment. If, however, if the Double Points were dropped I would change things around in such a way that would enable me to attend. It is difficult for a one off Meeting. You know I take people's Posts at face value most of the time - you and a couple of others who shall remain nameless (you know who they are) always want to know the far end of a fa*t. I hope my explanation satisfies you, though I do doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) So for 50 years you attended a sport that incensed you on a weekly basis.. Only when it was changed to incense you less frequently, you decided you'd had enough. Okey doke. We've got the picture. I accept that you don't like tactical rides, but I would also suggest you simply weren't enjoying the speedway as much as you had in the past and therefore the part you disliked (tacticals) over rode any enjoyment you still had. Edited December 21, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) So for 50 years you attended a sport that incensed you on a weekly basis.. Only when it was changed to incense you less frequently, you decided you'd had enough. Okey doke. We've got the picture. I accept that you don't like tactical rides, but I would also suggest you simply weren't enjoying the speedway as much as you had in the past and therefore the part you disliked (tacticals) over rode any enjoyment you still had. Post removed by The White Knight. I will not lower myself despite provocation. Edited December 21, 2015 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 B0LLOX!!! I've tried every which way to explain my position to you and you will not accept it. You really do leave me with no alternative other than to say SOD OFF!!! I mean that in the nicest possible way of course. :rofl: BWitcher you absolute legend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Muslims and Jews have Friday as their holy day. That's an option that leaves Sunday's free. Might convert myself, so I never need to go to Armadale again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) why is the double fairer than the tac sub?With the double point rule you cannot track the same 2 star riders in the last 3 heats of the meeting to turn a ten point deficit into a two point win with 3 successive five ones. Seen it done a few times Hamill / Hancock , Correy / Ermolenko were the best exponents. It made a mockery of team speedway when 2 guys could have 6 rides each and win a meeting on their own. Edited December 21, 2015 by New Science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Post removed by The White Knight. I will not lower myself despite provocation. :rofl: BWitcher you absolute legend! Post removed by The White Knight. I will not lower myself despite provocation. Too late old bean.... You can find more information here http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 With the double point rule you cannot track the same 2 star riders in the last 3 heats of the meeting to turn a ten point deficit into a two point win with 3 successive five ones. Seen it done a few times Hamill / Hancock , Correy / Ermolenko were the best exponents. It made a mockery of team speedway when 2 guys could have 6 rides each and win a meeting on their own. how could 2 away riders of been in the last 3 heats? heat 11 away team 1 and 2 heat 12 was 3 and 5 and heat 13 was 1 and 4.. (someone correct me if that wrong) the old 13 heat formula..?...I do recall, especially wolves, running us close with virtually 2 riders, but that was down to team building, which, all promoters had choice in which to go top heavy, and tactical timing by the manager.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Post removed by The White Knight. I will not lower myself despite provocation. Nice original post. I was actually trying to help you out of the hole you have dug for yourself White Knight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Too late old bean.... You can find more information here http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules Nice one Jacques. :rofl: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 how could 2 away riders of been in the last 3 heats? heat 11 away team 1 and 2 heat 12 was 3 and 5 and heat 13 was 1 and 4.. (someone correct me if that wrong) the old 13 heat formula..?...I do recall, especially wolves, running us close with virtually 2 riders, but that was down to team building, which, all promoters had choice in which to go top heavy, and tactical timing by the manager.. New Science will have been referring to the 15 heat formula. Example. Cradley or Wolves 10pts down.. Hancock/Hamill ... Ermolenko/Correy in Heat 13.. 5-1.. 6down. Double tac sub in heat 14.. same pairing comes in... 5-1.. 2 pts down Same pairing in Heat 15.. 5-1.. match won. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 New Science will have been referring to the 15 heat formula. Example. Cradley or Wolves 10pts down.. Hancock/Hamill ... Ermolenko/Correy in Heat 13.. 5-1.. 6down. Double tac sub in heat 14.. same pairing comes in... 5-1.. 2 pts down Same pairing in Heat 15.. 5-1.. match won. yep, point taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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