daveallan81 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 norbold, on 03 Jan 2016 - 7:38 PM, said: Rob Bamford did not produce any outstanding work. He says himself that he just took it from Wikipedia. Every programme so far discovered and quoted shows that Brian Crutcher was reserve on the night. Bobbath's post re. communication from Andy Povey came on while I was posting. How bizarre. The Wiki source is given as the 2002 version of the book and the article wasn't published until September 2008, some 3 months or so after the book had been republished (20th June 2008 according to Amazon). arnieg, on 03 Jan 2016 - 7:48 PM, said: Although amusingly if you look at wikipedia it claims its source is Rob Bamford's book - which can't be true as that references Crutcher not Westerburg!! :blink: What version of the book are you quoting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Bobbath's post re. communication from Andy Povey came on while I was posting. How bizarre. The Wiki source is given as the 2002 version of the book and the article wasn't published until September 2008, some 3 months or so after the book had been republished (20th June 2008 according to Amazon). What version of the book are you quoting? 2002 - i.e. the same as the one in the wiki reference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) Speedway Star - October 5, 1957 Page Four: Danny Carter's Gossip'N'Gas Mentions the riders down the pits helping others: "1950 and 1953 World Champion, Freddie Williams, was looking after Ian Williams. Swindon team manger, Bob Jones, an ex-Robin, assisted Bob Roger and George White. Another Swindon rider, Neil Street, came along to help Jack Geran. Former Belle Vue and Stoke star, Harold Jackson, was with Peter Craven and Ron Johnston; Bert Crouch-er came up with Brian Crutcher, while Ray Cresp was ready to aid his Oxford team mate Jack Biggs, should he have been called upon to ride." All the best Rob PS The filter on this site is doing something very strange with Bert Crouch-er's name, hence the dash in the middle. Edited January 4, 2016 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Speedway Star - October 5, 1957 Page Four: Danny Carter's Gossip'N'Gas Mentions the riders down the pits helping others: "1950 and 1953 World Champion, Freddie Williams, was looking after Ian Williams. Swindon team manger, Bob Jones, an ex-Robin, assisted Bob Roger and George White. Another Swindon rider, Neil Street, came along to help Jack Geran. Former Belle Vue and Stoke star, Harold Jackson, was with Peter Craven and Ron Johnston; Bert Crouch-er came up with Brian Crutcher, while Ray Cresp was ready to aid his Oxford team mate Jac Biggs, should he have been called upon to ride." Good to note more confirmation. Of course, this might have been contradicted by Angus Kix and Eric Linden. Rick Eldon too, if he was there. Eric, Angus and Danny Linden-Kix-Carter often had slightly different views, especially when predicting World Final winners. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) It is always nice to have the same issue settled on two separate threads a few weeks apart. Just for fun. Anyone fancy asking the same question for a third time just so we can go through it all the again? . Edited January 3, 2016 by Grand Central 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 As I was at the 1957 Final and the riders were as all as shown in the programme with no alterations This had 17. Brian Crutcher, 18. Jack Biggs as the meeting reserves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 I am slowly being won over by the "he was there" camp now.Micks post is a clincher.Where were you a couple of weeks back Mick?You could have saved a lot of research and a number of stupid posts by one ex journo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 I am slowly being won over by the "he was there" camp now.Micks post is a clincher.Where were you a couple of weeks back Mick?You could have saved a lot of research and a number of stupid posts by one ex journo Half a dozen ex-journos surely? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) It is possible that some background to World Finals featuring riders with London clubs in the period under debate might be found on this Link? Much of the information given was from the respected late historian Bryan Tungate. http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/board/46/london-world-championship-qualifiers Yes, that's a great deal of help with whether Brian Crutcher (Southampton) or an unattached Norwegian was reserve at the 1957 World Final. Mind you, the matter is settled now, as both John Hyam and Danny Carter (aka Eric Linden) reported that he was there in contemporary reports. All the best Rob Edited January 5, 2016 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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