You Shouldn't Call People Retards. It's Offensive

[hyderd]

And sadly some who don't find it offensive carry on pointing out that point.

Just goes to show how little respect some people have these days.

 

Some are offended by the R word yet instead of accepting that and moving on they feel a need to keep banging on why it's not offensive.

 

Jeez.

Maybe because some like to live in their own little bubble and don't see the bigger picture.

[Tsunami]

The logic from a poster on another thread was that the test would be if you would be brave enough to say it to someones face.. and well, in the modern world, i think retard is diddly as far as offence goes.

 

I couldn,t quote this as the thread has been locked but it was posted by someone with the username Doctor, if you call someone who is in hospital with a mental health problem a R****d you will soon be going home with your P45, so yes that word is very offensive to some people.

 

SCB has enough intelligence to know that.

He certainly has, and unfortunately, when drunk on Thursday evening, he decided without reading the actual argument that he would use the R....d word just to push his luck, and see what happened. He has as much admitted to it on Facebook. He is admonished for it, and now suspended, but some of his gang ignore the circumstances and intentions to try and make the decent offended guilty, and out of step. FFS.

[stratton]

He certainly has, and unfortunately, when drunk on Thursday evening, he decided without reading the actual argument that he would use the R....d word just to push his luck, and see what happened. He has as much admitted to it on Facebook. He is admonished for it, and now suspended, but some of his gang ignore the circumstances and intentions to try and make the decent offended guilty, and out of step. FFS.

On this forum there are a little clique of people and we all know who they are that create a ganging up culture.SCB he knew what he was saying ,sometimes on here Starman is a big example you might debate with one person and then you are set on by a set of seagulls who then stick together the evidence is there in past threads."Tsunami" we don't always agree but you have your own mind your own principles and i know what you say is what you believe not egged on by others.

[Alan_Jones]

He certainly has, and unfortunately, when drunk on Thursday evening, he decided without reading the actual argument that he would use the R....d word just to push his luck, and see what happened. He has as much admitted to it on Facebook. He is admonished for it, and now suspended, but some of his gang ignore the circumstances and intentions to try and make the decent offended guilty, and out of step. FFS.

 

One major flaw to your argument, which you keep repeating, is that Shawn started the offending thread around midday, presumably while still at work and fully compos mentis. There was nothing in the original article that added anything substantial to what I posted about it.

 

For someone that objects so vehemently to being associated with a gang, you throw the term around at others rather a lot. The possibility of independent people with similar opinions seems to be beyond you.

[Tsunami]

 

One major flaw to your argument, which you keep repeating, is that Shawn started the offending thread around midday, presumably while still at work and fully compos mentis. There was nothing in the original article that added anything substantial to what I posted about it.

 

For someone that objects so vehemently to being associated with a gang, you throw the term around at others rather a lot. The possibility of independent people with similar opinions seems to be beyond you.

If you miss out the midday bit, what is untrue about any of the rest. BTW, SCB was drinking, but after work.

Are you and others oblivious of the constant evidence said by others, that there is a group of posters on the BSF who regularly are the prominent anti Poole. anti Ward, anti BSPA, anti anything that rocks the boat. Like a lot of others think, it is the same posters on all troublesome thread, and all have the same perspective and fully support each other on every issue. Strange that. It usually picks on the same small group of folks who allegedly cannot have a point of view without them being ridiculed and demanded that they debate their POV.

 

Incidently, I don't necessarily include SCB in the group all the time, as he has regulately divorced himself from some important matters, and shown his own individual thinking. Whilst the usuals were having their go during the 2010 AGM fiasco(Hi Dave BTW) and the nominated Brit reserves EDR, the scoring system, etc, etc, SCB held his own counsel on each matter and seemed to remain a bit outside of the thinking of the opposition to the issues. That is his great contribution to this forum, not being just a popularist running with the wolves looking for the kill. I have known and liked SCB for a number of years since Newport first opened up actually, meeting him and Pinny and Alan along with Dietbowers with my yearly visits, and meeting him most times at Cardiff each year. I respect his sensible side and have had many good discussions with him, swopping info with him, and we are friends on Facebook. I look forward to his return after his 'suspension' and hope he will learn from it.

 

As someone said on another thread, let the bother begin.

Edited December 22, 2015 by Tsunami

[liam]

The same people who are bemused as to why some find the word retard offensive are the same ones who haven't stopped crying about Jon Cook calling some fans thick and stupid lol.

Edited December 22, 2015 by liam

[Fourentee]

The same people who are bemused as to why some find the word retard offensive are the same ones who haven't stopped crying about Jon Cook calling some fans thick and stupid lol.

 

I'd been wondering when someone might point that out!

[Aces51]

Maybe because they are two different issues. The first is about the use of a word which I wouldn't use but which in common usage has different meanings dependent upon the context in which it is used.

 

The second is about the wisdom of a Promoter insulting paying customers.

 

There is nothing inconsistent about supporting the first and being critical of the second.

Edited December 22, 2015 by Aces51

[Alan_Jones]

If you miss out the midday bit, what is untrue about any of the rest. BTW, SCB was drinking, but after work.

 

...the "midday bit" being the important fact...

[KevH]

If you miss out the midday bit, what is untrue about any of the rest.

A clear admission of one lie then.......surely that puts everything else you post in doubt?

[LisaColette]

The same people who are bemused as to why some find the word retard offensive are the same ones who haven't stopped crying about Jon Cook calling some fans thick and stupid lol.

Not sure if this is aimed at me but I wouldn't give someone my money who called me thick and/or biased.

 

Don't remember Cook using the word stupid!!

A clear admission of one lie then.......surely that puts everything else you post in doubt?

Absolutely!

[Pinny]

I have never understood why some of the more regular posters dont just make a new BSF and have a , say, anything goes policy.

 

Subedei i think made one, and it was brilliant. Not like this thing now. People like starman running riot, jesus christ theres more sense in most two year olds. Hes the only person i know to be proved wrong time and time again yet still claim hes right!

 

Then all these simpletons who are clearly the same people. How cant the moderators spot these herberts and ban them? One thread the other day thwre was about 5 usernames talkin to eachother, all clearly the same person! Unreal.

 

I often read this forum to catch up on the latest news etc as i dont hear much as im living in Australia nowadays but having to trawl through starman arguing with a bunch of imbeciles is too much hard work. If you banned starman, stevebrum and the multi aliases youd find this forum a much better place

[KevH]

Absolutely!

So we finally have confirmation that Tsunami is a self confessed liar.....full credit to him for admitting it.

 

All that remains is for Starman to admit he bears more than a coincidental similarity to the end of a bell and we can put this thread to bed

[liam]

Maybe because they are two different issues. The first is about the use of a word which I wouldn't use but which in common usage has different meanings dependent upon the context in which it is used.

 

The second is about the wisdom of a Promoter insulting paying customers.

 

There is nothing inconsistent about supporting the first and being critical of the second.

You can use that word however you like and it's still insulting someone. Anyway Iam done on the subject, merry christmas to everyone.

[TesarRacing]

If you miss out the midday bit, what is untrue about any of the rest. BTW, SCB was drinking, but after work.

Are you and others oblivious of the constant evidence said by others, that there is a group of posters on the BSF who regularly are the prominent anti Poole. anti Ward, anti BSPA, anti anything that rocks the boat. Like a lot of others think, it is the same posters on all troublesome thread, and all have the same perspective and fully support each other on every issue.

 

You are beginning to sound a bit like Starman now Dave. I think it is more than a 'group of posters', they are not anti anything, they just want things to be done in a proper manner with transparency and with no dodgy dealings.

I notice you are always one of a 'group of posters' who are always defending the actions of Poole, Ward and the BSPA so by the same token guilty of what you accuse others of, ie supporting each other on every issue..

[E I Addio]

 

One major flaw to your argument, which you keep repeating, is that Shawn started the offending thread around midday, presumably while still at work and fully compos mentis. There was nothing in the original article that added anything substantial to what I posted about it.

 

For someone that objects so vehemently to being associated with a gang, you throw the term around at others rather a lot. The possibility of independent people with similar opinions seems to be beyond you.

 

Have you never had a couple before 1 o clock on the last working day before Christmas ? I know I have , albeit in the distant past. Be that as it may, the thread that we are now on wasn't started until nearly 5 pm . I don't know if SCB was three sheets to wind or not but look at the chronology. You mentioned first the SS article early in the morning on the thread where it belongs. SCB from reasons best known to himself starts a separate thread with a pejorative title several hours later, adding nothing new apart from some name calling . The mods simply shorten the title down to "Jon Cook ". SCB then starts yet another thread late in the afternoon that is not really anything to do with speedway but simply focusses on, and inflames the use of the word "retard ". Whether he had a skinful or not by that point the third thread is a direct challenge to the mods after they had already fired a shot across the bows by amending the title on the Jon Cook thread, which he then amended yet again and which the mods changed back yet again.

 

SCB is old enough to be responsible for his own actions, On this or any other forum , when anyone starts flouting the authority of the mods its going to end up in a ban (or suspension ). We told he had been given some warnings, but drunk or not he continued his collision course with the mods, and at one stage he said he didn't care if he got a ban. Well now he has got one. He got his wish , he has made a martyr of himself on what he sees as a point of principle, and he is off the forum for two weeks (so we are told) at the quietest time of the year forum wise. When we stand back from the situation its really a storm in a teacup. SCB will soon be back or not be back depending on what he wants to do , No big deal.

Edited December 23, 2015 by E I Addio

[Fourentee]

Maybe because they are two different issues. The first is about the use of a word which I wouldn't use but which in common usage has different meanings dependent upon the context in which it is used.

 

The second is about the wisdom of a Promoter insulting paying customers.

 

There is nothing inconsistent about supporting the first and being critical of the second.

 

I think in that case one would need to hold a relatively benevolent view of the word at the centre of the issue, which I certainly do not. But I take the point you make.

[Vince]

Have to say that I have had some serious clashes of opinion with SCB, mainly in the past and at times it has been pretty heated. However I have never at any time seen him as being one of a gang, just the opposite in fact. He is very opinionated and wouldn't care who held the opposite opinion he would argue with them.

[BWitcher]

The same people who are bemused as to why some find the word retard offensive are the same ones who haven't stopped crying about Jon Cook calling some fans thick and stupid lol.

 

 

A very simple answer,

 

The ones who have been called thick and biased., they've been abused, hence they are offended.

 

Nobody, other than Jon Cook was called a retard. Jon Cook could quite rightly be offended.

You can use that word however you like and it's still insulting someone. Anyway Iam done on the subject, merry christmas to everyone.

 

Correct, it was insulting Jon Cook, nobody else.

Edited December 23, 2015 by BWitcher

[stevebrum]

Have you never had a couple before 1 o clock on the last working day before Christmas ? I know I have , albeit in the distant past. Be that as it may, the thread that we are now on wasn't started until nearly 5 pm . I don't know if SCB was three sheets to wind or not but look at the chronology. You mentioned first the SS article early in the morning on the thread where it belongs. SCB from reasons best known to himself starts a separate thread with a pejorative title several hours later, adding nothing new apart from some name calling . The mods simply shorten the title down to "Jon Cook ". SCB then starts yet another thread late in the afternoon that is not really anything to do with speedway but simply focusses on, and inflames the use of the word "retard ". Whether he had a skinful or not by that point the third thread is a direct challenge to the mods after they had already fired a shot across the bows by amending the title on the Jon Cook thread, which he then amended yet again and which the mods changed back yet again.

 

SCB is old enough to be responsible for his own actions, On this or any other forum , when anyone starts flouting the authority of the mods its going to end up in a ban (or suspension ). We told he had been given some warnings, but drunk or not he continued his collision course with the mods, and at one stage he said he didn't care if he got a ban. Well now he has got one. He got his wish , he has made a martyr of himself on what he sees as a point of principle, and he is off the forum for two weeks (so we are told) at the quietest time of the year forum wise. When we stand back from the situation its really a storm in a teacup. SCB will soon be back or not be back depending on what he wants to do , No big deal.

Well said.