liam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Think Cook missed keyboard warriors off though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 stupid, thick, idiot, retard. All synonyms. I tell you what is stupid and only a load of thick people would do. They have seen the system has caused a mess, they have come up with a list to fix it. So they have fudged the problem with a poorly implemented list. But they have not fixed the root cause, the format, that is no longer needed! Not that is the actions of some people who are thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) You must have read a different article to me because in the one I read the word stupid doesn't appear at all. Then again look at Blazeaway's post above this and it seems maybe Cook was not too far off the mark Damn, I'm as bad as you getting something form the article wrong Stupid, thick, idiot, retard. All synonyms though. I tell you what is stupid and only a load of thick people would do. They have seen the system has caused a mess, they have come up with a list to fix it. So they have fudged the problem with a poorly implemented list. But they have not fixed the root cause, the format, that is no longer needed! Now that is the actions of some people who are thick. Edited December 18, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Of course it does, PK should be on the list. Wolves were just too dumb not to sign him. Danny King should not be on the list. Edward Kennett should be on the list. Buzkowski should be on the list. Watt shouldn't be on the list. Just to name a few. They've pretty much got away with it due to how the teams have been built, but that was through luck rather than judgement and it leaves exactly the same problem for next year. Your opinion . Others have said watt for example watt should be on the list. whichever way you prepare the list there will always be anomalies. The list stands or falls by its success or failure in practice, not on personal opinions of those not in possession of a crystal ball. (I was going to say crystal balls but there have been enough innuendos already. I tell you what is stupid and only a load of thick people would do. They have seen the system has caused a mess, they have come up with a list to fix it. So they have fudged the problem with a poorly implemented list. But they have not fixed the root cause, the format, that is no longer needed! Not that is the actions of some people who are thick. That's a different argument nothing to do with Cooks article so I won't go down that road unless you want to start a separate thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 That's a different argument nothing to do with Cooks article so I won't go down that road unless you want to start a separate thread. It's not is it? Why do we have the list? Because of the format. Scrap the format and you can scrap contentious lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Your opinion . Others have said watt for example watt should be on the list. whichever way you prepare the list there will always be anomalies. The list stands or falls by its success or failure in practice, not on personal opinions of those not in possession of a crystal ball. (I was going to say crystal balls but there have been enough innuendos already. Not my opinion, just reality. He spent most of the year at second string, so his average is a second string one. Those who claim he should be on the heat leader list have no concept of the problem the list is trying to solve and are just looking at his average.. a suitable word for such people is 'thick'. Seems the BSPA fall into that category. There don't need to be 'anomalies' and opinions are not needed. A method could quite easily be put into place that is definitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 It's not is it? Why do we have the list? Because of the format. Scrap the format and you can scrap contentious lists. You should know, its your thread, about Jon Cook. Personally I don't think its the format itself that was wrong but more to do with the drafts and the draft pick, but I cant get too exercised about it in the close season. Not my opinion, just reality. He spent most of the year at second string, so his average is a second string one. Those who claim he should be on the heat leader list have no concept of the problem the list is trying to solve and are just looking at his average.. a suitable word for such people is 'thick'. Seems the BSPA fall into that category. There don't need to be 'anomalies' and opinions are not needed. A method could quite easily be put into place that is definitive. Fine if that's what you think there is already a separate heatleader list thread where you can air your views with anyone who wants to listen . No point in duplicating them on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 It wouldn't surprise me if Cook was a power Bottom, one can never tell. I wouldn't believe he was a dom top tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've changed it to avoid confusion Rule number one Bruce! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've changed it to avoid confusion You've changed it to try and dig yourself out of a hole.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Well, I have at last managed to purloin a copy of SS from Dave Spartt over lunch and having now become one of the very few on here that has actually read the article I am beginning to wonder what all the fuss is about. After all the huffing and puffing from SCB and the rest who hadn't read the thing, I was expecting something outrageous, but to be honest it was a bit of an anti-climax. As I hinted in an earlier post I thought I was going to go into one of my tirades about sloppy journalism at SS but having read it I have to say I think that Peter Oakes has done a really good job with an article that is well prepared, well written, clearly explained and concise so credit where its due and well done to him. In fact if you removed the last three lines that caused all the fuss I doubt if anyone in their right minds could fault it on any level. So to Jon cooks comments. Contrary to what some on here have implied the BSPA have looked at the statistics of the riders concerned in their roles as heatleaders and as second strings. Cook uses Jacob Thorssell and Peter Karlsson to explain why the one with the lower average is a HL and the one on the higher average is a SS. He quotes the number of matches blah blah blah Thanks for posting, not directed at you, but in all seriousness this is absurd. We often get a new manager in at work and he forces through an absurdly complex idea, usually because he doesn't know what he's talking about. After a few months it disappears, but not until it's created merry hell. In the long term nothing gets done because you are stuck in a cycle or break / fix / break / fix. Or in business terms a period of 'transition' followed by a period of 'consolidation'. If you have reached the point where picking a team has become subject to this you need to rip up the instructions and start again. KEEP IT SIMPLE is the best adage ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 He changed the retard bit. Clearly you need glasses. And clearly he knew he was out of order, but still doesn't get a ban.. Many on here have said he's out of order.No,he didn't. Probably a Mod that took the retard bit off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 You've changed it to try and dig yourself out of a hole.. He changed the retard bit. Clearly you need glasses. And clearly he knew he was out of order, but still doesn't get a ban.. Many on here have said he's out of order. Someone (Phil?) Changed it to "Jon Cook" so I changed it to "Jon Cook Is A Power Bottomed Homosexual" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Someone (Phil?) Changed it to "Jon Cook" so I changed it to "Jon Cook Is A Power Bottomed Homosexual" Thats what i call favoritisum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Thanks for posting, not directed at you, but in all seriousness this is absurd. We often get a new manager in at work and he forces through an absurdly complex idea, usually because he doesn't know what he's talking about. After a few months it disappears, but not until it's created merry hell. In the long term nothing gets done because you are stuck in a cycle or break / fix / break / fix. Or in business terms a period of 'transition' followed by a period of 'consolidation'. If you have reached the point where picking a team has become subject to this you need to rip up the instructions and start again. KEEP IT SIMPLE is the best adage ever. I know what you mean in the sense that I have had endless trouble over the years by bucking office procedures and doing things my own way, but when the money starts rolling in and my bonus was as big as the rest of the department put together they suddenly realised I knew what I was doing and I wasnt just bring awkward. Moral of the story: keep it simple if you can but don't pre-judge till you know how well it works. As I always say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Bottom line is it will be judged on how it works in practice. Edited December 18, 2015 by E I Addio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Thats what i call favoritisum.Its what i call you being WRONG yet again Are you ever right starry? Que Biffa Bacon..... Edited December 18, 2015 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) You do have to love the irony of a BSPA member criticising fans for being critical of a new rule they brought out when they didn't feel the need to inform the fans how or why the rule was made... Rather than a full public announcement, like a professional sport would do when making fundamental changes, fans found out in 'dribs and drabs' who was on the list and by a process of elimination tried to work out who wasn't on the list. The fans were told by a promoter at a 'talk in' that 'x' many riders were on the list. Then it wasn't that amount. Eventually, the rationale used was given out to the public once, I presume, the BSPA decided that we, the 'thick, biased (or both)' proles could open our tiny minds enough to understand the complex system they used... i.e. put up a load of post its on a dartboard with riders' names on them... Blindfold the new chairman... Spin him around three times... And any post it he hits becomes a heat leader!!!😃 British Speedway😃 Edited December 18, 2015 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) The whole thing is a massive own goal from the BSPA and I am surprised there are any posts at all on here supporting or justifying John Cook's actions. Obviously there have been a ton of posts on here that proved to incorrect since it was announced that there was a heat leader list. Why was that? Because they never told anybody who was on the list and what the criteria were. It's beyond belief that hey would keep this secret. The fans are the lifeblood of the sport and keeping this secret was ridiculous. If they were confident in their methodology and the names on the list, it makes zero sense to hide it. To then belatedly publish it and list out the methodology and tell fans that if they don't understand if or think it was unfair.then they are idiots is outrageous. If they had bothered to publish the list earlier nobody would have had to make guesses and question the fairness of it all. Terry Russell complains about ill informed internet keyboard warriors posting incorrect statements about Swindon's stadium. Well, guess what. They are ill informed because nobody was bothering to inform them of the truth. Public relations these days are simple and basically free with email and social media and the BSPA are terrible at it. Edited December 18, 2015 by AlanF 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Why? If you like I'll start "Matt Ford is a total top" to show there no favouritism on my part if you like? No one would ever believe MF is a total top! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 We seem again to be getting off the point, that a member of the BPSA, has called any fans who what to ask how they came about the heat leader list most realise that those who run speedway in the EL know all there is to know and any fan who fails to understand who those in power came to sort it out, then those fans are stuppid and ignorant. What it then ended up as was a slanging match about the way SCB worded the header. I for one are far from stuppid and his comments about the speedway frans in a whole should be getting in on the carpet in front of the board. The EL in is bigger trouble already and in now classed in my opions and others as a second rate product, that is slowly dying a death, unless something is done soon. It may be the best idea to just call it a day and them have a league, that contains all the EL and PL clubs. It is getting now to a state that some of the EL clubs are nothing better than a gloryfied PL club anyway. I for one have had enough of all the guest riders and R/R up to a point that you never know until the night how many guest you have on any given race night. It will have to be something very special this year that tempts me to turn out to see Leicester race next year. So far they have 4 team members 2 of those at reserve with nothing on the Lions website to even give a glimpse on who they plan to bring in to make up the team. I think they are going to have a major task to get a No1 to replace Doyle with. I can find a better way to spend over £60 getting in and with the money for fuel. So as I said before it looks like they will have 2 less fans next year and both my grandson and myself love our speedway, but I think that next season will just about draw the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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