BWitcher Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Great rider, no doubt. Not sure that his leaving was the start of the demise of British speedway-can't see that at all. The White City display was the nail in his coffin here. Never one of my favourites, but what told me all I need to know about him were his comments about Kenny Carter in an edition of back track. Carter did a terrible thing, but Penhalls comments were out of order. He never liked Cartwr and simply used that platfo to vilify him. Poor taste from someone who should have known better. What did he say? I find it very hard to believe any comments regarding Carter could be deemed 'out of order'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 What did he say? I find it very hard to believe any comments regarding Carter could be deemed 'out of order'. Exactly.I haven't seen the article,but having read a number of Backtrack mags I can't see them as publishing comments that are too scandalous or unfounded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 What did he say? I find it very hard to believe any comments regarding Carter could be deemed 'out of order'. He said that, as a father, he could never forgive Kenny Carter for what he had done - leaving two young kids without their mother. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 He said that, as a father, he could never forgive Kenny Carter for what he had done - leaving two young kids without their mother. All the best Rob How could that in any way be deemed 'out of order'! Seems quite restrained! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Bruce Penhall was a phenomenal Speedway rider and a decent guy. It's a shame we didn't get to see him carry on into his 30s. Little to no doubt he would have added to his world titles. How any one can feel bitter that he A. helped his mates qualify for the next round of the world championship and B. leave Dudley for Hollywood is beyond me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 He said that, as a father, he could never forgive Kenny Carter for what he had done - leaving two young kids without their mother. All the best Rob Well, it wasn't quite put like that, was it? I was no lover of Carter & would never defended what he did, but Bruce took advantage of his position to slate Carter mercilessly. I don't condone murder in any way shape or form (obviously), but Bruce was no saint, regardless of what anyone might say & I felt that he should have kept his comments to himself. I'm not saying the comments were "scandalous or unfounded" but regardless of Bruce's feelings, taking advantage of his position as a contributor to backtrack to say what he did wasn't appropriate. If I can find the article, I'll quote it. Don't get me wrong, I think what Carter did was abhorrent, but Penhall (if he's a great guy as everyone seems to think) shouldn't have used his position to make his point. Not that he hasn't done so plenty of times before. Just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 How could that in any way be deemed 'out of order'! Seems quite restrained! Totally agree. If Carter hadn't taken his own life, he would have been charged with murder. Tragic for everybody concerned. Especially for his young family left with no mother or father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Well, it wasn't quite put like that, was it? I was no lover of Carter & would never defended what he did, but Bruce took advantage of his position to slate Carter mercilessly. I don't condone murder in any way shape or form (obviously), but Bruce was no saint, regardless of what anyone might say & I felt that he should have kept his comments to himself. I'm not saying the comments were "scandalous or unfounded" but regardless of Bruce's feelings, taking advantage of his position as a contributor to backtrack to say what he did wasn't appropriate. If I can find the article, I'll quote it. Don't get me wrong, I think what Carter did was abhorrent, but Penhall (if he's a great guy as everyone seems to think) shouldn't have used his position to make his point. Not that he hasn't done so plenty of times before. Just my opinion. Be interesting to see the actual quote, as I still can't think of any comments that would be printed in Backtrack that wouldn't be 'appropriate' when discussing a murderer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Here's Bruce from the Kenny Carter book by Tony Mac: "I really don't want to say two words about Kenny Carter. In my eyes he was an absolute mental coward for the way he went and left his kids without parents. There are probably stronger words I could use, but that's what comes to my mind right now. "The only reason I agreed to talk about him for this book is that the book is going to make some money for his kids. So good luck with the book. I hope it goes well. "I am a true father, with four kids, and I couldn't, even on my worst day, imagine doing what he did, therefore I don't have one bit of respect for the kid." AND: "I've seen that incident (from the 1982 World Final) with Carter from hundreds of different angles, from footage from the people filming CHiPS, and it clearly shows from the back angle that I never hit Kenny when he fell. "But, you know what... the way I look at it now, after what he did to his wife and children, I wish I would've frickin' put him up in the middle of the grandstand." No controversial at all, in my eyes. Just saying how it is. Many people would agree with such sentiments. All the best Rob Edited December 14, 2015 by lucifer sam 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Here's Bruce from the Kenny Carter book by Tony Mac: "I really don't want to say two words about Kenny Carter. In my eyes he was an absolute mental coward for the way he went and left his kids without parents. There are probably stronger words I could use, but that's what comes to my mind right now. "The only reason I agreed to talk about him for this book is that the book is going to make some money for his kids. So good luck with the book. I hope it goes well. "I am a true father, with four kids, and I couldn't, even on my worst day, imagine doing what he did, therefore I don't have one bit of respect for the kid." AND: "I've seen that incident (from the 1982 World Final) with Carter from hundreds of different angles, from footage from the people filming CHiPS, and it clearly shows from the back angle that I never hit Kenny when he fell. "But, you know what... the way I look at it now, after what he did to his wife and children, I wish I would've frickin' put him up in the middle of the grandstand." No controversial at all, in my eyes. Just saying how it is. Many people would agree with such sentiments. All the best Rob Nice Fella!!! :nono: :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Here's Bruce from the Kenny Carter book by Tony Mac: No controversial at all, in my eyes. Just saying how it is. Many people would agree with such sentiments. All the best Rob I know I do.If that had meant saving the life of an innocent mother,then so be it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I know I do.If that had meant saving the life of an innocent mother,then so be it I quite agree with you. Penhall should never have said it that way in the Magazine though. I don't blame BackTrack for printing it though - they were merely quoting the words of their columnist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I quite agree with you. Penhall should never have said it that way in the Magazine though. I don't blame BackTrack for printing it though - they were merely quoting the words of their columnist. This was in the book.Not sure if the same quotes were used in the mag or if they are different quotes that have upset Dave I'd generally say a book can be more hard hitting than a magazine that people have a subscription to,imo Edited December 14, 2015 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I quite agree with you. Penhall should never have said it that way in the Magazine though. I don't blame BackTrack for printing it though - they were merely quoting the words of their columnist. It wasn't in Backtrack. It's from the Kenny Carter book, "Tragedy". I did make that clear. And it's worth reading the whole quote (not just the bits that caught your eye!), including the first couple of paragraphs, which state that Bruce was uneasy talking about Kenny Carter in the first place. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Here's Bruce from the Kenny Carter book by Tony Mac: "I really don't want to say two words about Kenny Carter. In my eyes he was an absolute mental coward for the way he went and left his kids without parents. There are probably stronger words I could use, but that's what comes to my mind right now. "The only reason I agreed to talk about him for this book is that the book is going to make some money for his kids. So good luck with the book. I hope it goes well. "I am a true father, with four kids, and I couldn't, even on my worst day, imagine doing what he did, therefore I don't have one bit of respect for the kid." AND: "I've seen that incident (from the 1982 World Final) with Carter from hundreds of different angles, from footage from the people filming CHiPS, and it clearly shows from the back angle that I never hit Kenny when he fell. "But, you know what... the way I look at it now, after what he did to his wife and children, I wish I would've frickin' put him up in the middle of the grandstand." No controversial at all, in my eyes. Just saying how it is. Many people would agree with such sentiments. All the best Rob Actually it is controversial, because he did hit Carter's bike and you can see it in the original World of Sport footage. The rest of it, though, is perfectly reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 It wasn't in Backtrack. It's from the Kenny Carter book, "Tragedy". I did make that clear. And it's worth reading the whole quote (not just the bits that caught your eye!), including the first couple of paragraphs, which state that Bruce was uneasy talking about Kenny Carter in the first place. All the best Rob My apologies - you are right. Apologies to BackTrack too. I have not read the Carter book either and I won't be doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Think people need to remember that Penhall's parents died in a plane crash in 1975, he would have been about 18. May explain a bit why he was vocal about the effect on KCs family. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Think people need to remember that Penhall's parents died in a plane crash in 1975, he would have been about 18. May explain a bit why he was vocal about the effect on KCs family.And of course he was subsequently denied,by a drunk driver, the chance of seeing his son Connor grow up.Nice Fella!!! :nono: :mad: Out of interest, how much respect do you have for the Paris shooters? Given the chance would you not happily knock them "into the frigging granstand"? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 And of course he was subsequently denied,by a drunk driver, the chance of seeing his son Connor grow up. He also saw the effect that Billy Sanders suicide had on his son Dean (Bruce was Deans God son) who commited suicide himself. If anyone has seen/felt the devastating effect of losing parents, family and friends to suicide or unnaturally early deaths it's Bruce - no wonder he feels bitter towards anyone who does what Kenny did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 And of course he was subsequently denied,by a drunk driver, the chance of seeing his son Connor grow up. Out of interest, how much respect do you have for the Paris shooters? Given the chance would you not happily knock them "into the frigging granstand"? I think you know my answer to that. He should have shown just a little more class in the Book though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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