waiheke1 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Basically it would be exactly the same Riders in all of the Meetings. Hope that helps. And that differs from the current aussie individual championship how? Edited December 13, 2015 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozrik Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Are there similar 'qualification' requirements placed on other foreign riders. Australia and GB have a long history of flexible visa and working arrangements. Why make this stipulation now. It borders on discrimination. Laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Other than requirements for Australian riders, eligibility for the Sponsored Migrants Policy are stated currently as: Argentinian International Championships – Winner Canadian Individual Championships – Winner New Zealand Individual Championships – WinnerRussian Individual Championships – Top 4South African National Championships – WinnerUkrainian Individual Championships – WinnerUnited States Individual AMA Championships – Top 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Are there similar 'qualification' requirements placed on other foreign riders. Australia and GB have a long history of flexible visa and working arrangements. Why make this stipulation now. It borders on discrimination. Laughable. Australia actually poses reasonably strict requirements on Brits wanting to work there. British and Australian speedway are also not really comparable in terms of employment prospects. You can't make a living riding speedway in Australia, so a few European riders going over for a 2 or 3-month working holiday cannot really be said to be taking employment away from the locals. In fact, they probably help bolster the meetings in many cases. By contrast, Britain has a professional speedway set-up offering 8 months of fairly regular employment, and it's not unreasonable that if Australia has restrictions on Brits working there, then speedway should not be exempted as a professional industry. I'd have no problem with reciprocal working rights between the UK, Australia and New Zealand (after a certain qualification period), but given the fuss about immigration in both countries, I can't see that happening any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Are there similar 'qualification' requirements placed on other foreign riders. Australia and GB have a long history of flexible visa and working arrangements. Why make this stipulation now. It borders on discrimination. Laughable. It's hardly discrimination. Anyone from a non-EU country needs a work permit to work in the UK. Lawyer, banker or speedway rider. Frankly the fact we let them into the PL at all they should be thankful as them riding in the PL really doesn't meet the basic criteria for work permits of being the very best etc. You can apply for a Tier 2 (Sportsperson) visa if all of the following apply: you’re an elite sportsperson or qualified coach recognised by your sport’s governing body as internationally established at the highest level your sport’s governing body is endorsing your application your employment will develop your sport in the UK at the highest level you’re from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland you meet the other eligibility requirements Edited December 14, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 And that differs from the current aussie individual championship how? You can be pedantic at times. My suggestion is for Riders who are of Premier League standard or worse. NOT Australian Champions. They would be riding in order to qualify to race here - not win Championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 You can be pedantic at times. My suggestion is for Riders who are of Premier League standard or worse. NOT Australian Champions. They would be riding in order to qualify to race here - not win Championships. You can be a bit stupid at times. Just look at scb's post.....and anyway,why would we want to hold meetings for riders who are "of PL standard or worse" ??????? Beyond belief from someone who is always moaning about immigrants to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 You can be a bit stupid at times. Just look at scb's post.....and anyway,why would we want to hold meetings for riders who are "of PL standard or worse" ??????? Beyond belief from someone who is always moaning about immigrants to be honest (Sigh) .................................. and you can be tasteless at times - but I don't let that bother me so you will just have to put up with my stupidity I'm afraid. Because we are talking about bringing over untried Australians. If we had a Competition as I suggest - the very top Riders of said Competition would qualify to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (Sigh) .................................. and you can be tasteless at times - but I don't let that bother me so you will just have to put up with my stupidity I'm afraid. Because we are talking about bringing over untried Australians. If we had a Competition as I suggest - the very top Riders of said Competition would qualify to come here. You are talking Pl standard or worse!!! That is hardly "the very top Riders" Make your mind up.The Australian championship does the job without trying to make some other competition up that probably the authorities wouldn't even recognise,the public wouldn't flock to and you might find it hard for a promoter to host .It just doesn't make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 You are talking Pl standard or worse!!! That is hardly "the very top Riders" Make your mind up.The Australian championship does the job without trying to make some other competition up that probably the authorities wouldn't even recognise,the public wouldn't flock to and you might find it hard for a promoter to host .It just doesn't make sense The only thing I can add to what I have aready said is that I was talking about new untried Australian Riders - not the Stars. It was only an idea to find the best of young Australian talent for our Premier League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 You can be pedantic at times. My suggestion is for Riders who are of Premier League standard or worse. NOT Australian Champions. They would be riding in order to qualify to race here - not win Championships. So you want a meeting for riders who are not, "an elite sportsperson or qualified coach recognised by your sport’s governing body as internationally established at the highest level" to try and qualify for a work permit that requires that you are, "an elite sportsperson or qualified coach recognised by your sport’s governing body as internationally established at the highest level" I see no issue with that at all and can see the UKVI agreeing to it. Then laughing that everyone who rides in that meeting is clearly not good enough so can shove off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 The only thing I can add to what I have aready said is that I was talking about new untried Australian Riders - not the Stars. It was only an idea to find the best of young Australian talent for our Premier League. Exactly.Untried riders!!! And how do you choose them?If you put 16 untried riders together from Australia,NZ and Argentina.....they might be 16 who want to have a go at PL or worse.They might also be the 16 worse riders available.Someone is going to win and someone is going to come second,no matter how bad they are.........Why would the authorities grant visas to those guys or girls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Exactly.Untried riders!!! And how do you choose them?If you put 16 untried riders together from Australia,NZ and Argentina.....they might be 16 who want to have a go at PL or worse.They might also be the 16 worse riders available.Someone is going to win and someone is going to come second,no matter how bad they are.........Why would the authorities grant visas to those guys or girls? I give up. As I sad, it was an idea. Perhaps you are right and it isn't a great idea. I was looking for a way to filter out the Riders who were not so good in order that we only got the best of the yougsters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 A return to the 1999 criteria would shake things up. To qualify for a work permit for the first time the overseas rider must be: USA — The top rider excluding those already in the UK. Australia — The top three riders excluding those already in the UK. New Zealand — The top rider excluding those already in the UK. Czech Republic — The top two riders excluding those already in the UK. Poland — The top two riders excluding those already in the UK. Others — The National Champion of their country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 You can be pedantic at times. My suggestion is for Riders who are of Premier League standard or worse. NOT Australian Champions. They would be riding in order to qualify to race here - not win Championships. Look at the field for the aussie champs. Half of those are only Pl standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Because we are talking about bringing over untried Australians. What if it were an untried Romanian? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 What if it were an untried Romanian? Builder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 What if it were an untried Romanian? Hes probably be given a team place Berwick where the fans will claim that that if he was given decent kit and sponsors he'd be good. But he wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 What if it were an untried Romanian? Do you really want me to answer that? If he is a bona fide Speedway Rider - no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozrik Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Australia actually poses reasonably strict requirements on Brits wanting to work there. British and Australian speedway are also not really comparable in terms of employment prospects. You can't make a living riding speedway in Australia, so a few European riders going over for a 2 or 3-month working holiday cannot really be said to be taking employment away from the locals. In fact, they probably help bolster the meetings in many cases. By contrast, Britain has a professional speedway set-up offering 8 months of fairly regular employment, and it's not unreasonable that if Australia has restrictions on Brits working there, then speedway should not be exempted as a professional industry. I'd have no problem with reciprocal working rights between the UK, Australia and New Zealand (after a certain qualification period), but given the fuss about immigration in both countries, I can't see that happening any time soon. Yes, however to clarify my point, both nations have strong cultural and economic ties, and there still is The Commonwealth of Nations. You could say that adds strength to the situation regarding Australian/NZ riders in GB. I think Aussie riders present far more positives for British League racing than negatives, and any problems British speedway is having are not the fault of Australian riders. You are right, there is a strong case for an easing of the qualifications regarding work visas for Aussie/NZ riders. The only thing I can add to what I have aready said is that I was talking about new untried Australian Riders - not the Stars. It was only an idea to find the best of young Australian talent for our Premier League. I think the real concern is that young Australian riders (untried) may find it more difficult to get that first team position, which is so important to the future development of a speedway career. Your promoters are not dills (mostly) and very few of our riders given the chance in League racing turn out as abject failures. The way our State and national title are organised now is a fairly stringent test of young riders any way. Only the top 8 are seeded (gp riders, State title podiums) the rest go through a qualifying meeting to fill the remaining positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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