barncooseboy Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Here in Devon a young lady rugby player has just died after returning to playing after a month off due to suspected concussion. I have campaigned for a long tim e for greater consideration to be given to speedway head injuries/impacts. Andy Butler has brought up this at ACU meetings as well, a bang to the head can result in sudden severe effects a few weeks later. I believe that we need greaer screening before we have a similar tragedy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Isn't it the case now hat riders who suffer concussion have to take a mandatory 9 days off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Isn't it the case now hat riders who suffer concussion have to take a mandatory 9 days off? 7 Days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted December 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 the case here in Devon highlights the fact this young lady rugby player had been under medical supervision for a month before returning to the pitch apparently recovered from the injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 21 day mandatory stand down in NZ for concussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) 7 Days. Think last seasons regs only referred to the rider having to adhere to the time stated on his medical certificate, no specific length.. Edited December 9, 2015 by The Doctor... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 I think the Speedway Authorities really need to look in to this. It would be tragic if something similar to that young lady Rugby Player were to happen in Speedway. Looking at some of the bangs on the head that Riders take - it is certainly a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 I think the Speedway Authorities really need to look in to this. It would be tragic if something similar to that young lady Rugby Player were to happen in Speedway. Looking at some of the bangs on the head that Riders take - it is certainly a possibility. Definitely - since i got up earlier i checked out the regs and some extra info, and it's not good reading. The medical officer who advises the Scb states that any loss of consciousness should be a 1 month break from the sport, and we all know that never happens, yet how many times do we hear about a rider being knocked out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Think last seasons regs only referred to the rider having to adhere to the time stated on his medical certificate, no specific length.. Apparently, and I think it come form CVS at the Wolves talk in, internationally there is now a 9 day sit-out period for any head injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Apparently, and I think it come form CVS at the Wolves talk in, internationally there is now a 9 day sit-out period for any head injury. That sounds like a sensible timeframe i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Definitely - since i got up earlier i checked out the regs and some extra info, and it's not good reading. The medical officer who advises the Scb states that any loss of consciousness should be a 1 month break from the sport, and we all know that never happens, yet how many times do we hear about a rider being knocked out... The problem is when is a head injury not a head injury ? For example in 2013 Peter Karlsson hit the safety fence at Lakeside ,went over the handlebars and landed on his head. Not sure if he was knocked out but he was motionless for a few minutes, then was back on his feet ,withdrew from the meeting but was riding the following week with no apparent ill effects. We can imagine similar situations where a rider is ostensibly fit to ride but we finish up with yet more guests . So the point really, do we have to rely on some rule-of-thumb mandatory period of absence, which could be too long for some but not enough for others or is there some sort of scientific medical test to determine a riders fitness after concussion. I know for example that Lakeside junior, Marc Owen had to have over a year out dur to cincussion so there must be other factors or indicators that can be employed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Surely this poor lady should have seen a neuro surgeon or similar? Second impact syndrome is very common and can be fatal... Anyone who recieved a blow to the head should be cleared by a specialist and not just a time frame, symptoms in closed head injurys can be very mis leading in my experience. I seriously worry for the likes of Roynon and Kerr who have already suffered ' deep dense' concussions before, you dont get many, if any second chances with the brain. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Surely this poor lady should have seen a neuro surgeon or similar? Second impact syndrome is very common and can be fatal... Anyone who recieved a blow to the head should be cleared by a specialist and not just a time frame, symptoms in closed head injurys can be very mis leading in my experience. I seriously worry for the likes of Roynon and Kerr who have already suffered ' deep dense' concussions before, you dont get many, if any second chances with the brain. Stuart Robson too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I understand that the former SCB medical adviser was dropped by the SCB, the SCB no longer has a medical advisor, he is, however still an advisor to the ACU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Whatever the regulations are, they need to be enforced, which is not always the case. I would have thought that the rider's insurance would be invalid if he did ride whilst being signed off. If a rider suffers a head injury, and the track medic signs him off for a specified number of days, the referee and the rider's Team Manager need to be informed in writing. The referee then informs the SCB, who inform all referees of the details, and also the rider's governing body if he is not riding under the ACU. I remember a case a couple of years ago, where a rider had been signed off for 7 days, but he rode again after 6 days, having been declared fit by his GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 away from speedway, it appearrs that Cilla Black died from a single blow to the head after falling asleep on a sun lounger, falling off it and striking hert head. It just goes to show that what would appear to bne an inconsequential head trauma can be fatal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Here in Devon a young lady rugby player has just died after returning to playing after a month off due to suspected concussion. I have campaigned for a long tim e for greater consideration to be given to speedway head injuries/impacts. Andy Butler has brought up this at ACU meetings as well, a bang to the head can result in sudden severe effects a few weeks later. I believe that we need greaer screening before we have a similar tragedy. It has been talked about before: http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=78495 http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=80154 Concussion are also a quite a big problem in the NHL where many players have had to retire early due to concussion problems. http://www.sportingnews.com/photos/4634203-nhl-career-ending-concussions-photos-eric-lindros-marc-savard-scott-stevens-paul-kariya-pat-lafontaine/slide/297658 Of those who still are active. Sidney Crosby is the most well known player to have repeated problems with concussion. http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/ottawa-doctor-adopts-crosby-concussion-treatment-1.2600902 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/concussion-turning-point-1.3336600 Edited December 13, 2015 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted January 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Currently on nationwide cinema release is a major film called Concussion relating to head injuries in American Football, there have been calls in US for American football to be banned because figures are showing players are twice as likely to get Alzheimers as non players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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