le sorcier Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Apologies if this is covered elsewhere but can anyone tell me why Jason Garrity is now a fully fledged rider in the 1-5 and Kyle Newman is still allowed to race as a reserve? Is it just to do with age/experience? And could Garrity drop down to reserve if his average dipped and will Kyle Newman go in the top 5 once the GSA's change? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Apologies if this is covered elsewhere but can anyone tell me why Jason Garrity is now a fully fledged rider in the 1-5 and Kyle Newman is still allowed to race as a reserve? Is it just to do with age/experience? And could Garrity drop down to reserve if his average dipped and will Kyle Newman go in the top 5 once the GSA's change? Thanks It would seem it was Garritys choice to move up into the 1 to 5 team spot,and yes they could both move up or down depending on there averages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) Apologies if this is covered elsewhere but can anyone tell me why Jason Garrity is now a fully fledged rider in the 1-5 and Kyle Newman is still allowed to race as a reserve? Is it just to do with age/experience? And could Garrity drop down to reserve if his average dipped and will Kyle Newman go in the top 5 once the GSA's change? Thanks Garrity has ambition and wants to prove himself in the main body of the team. I think Newman would lose his place at Poole if he didn't agree to be on the draft. They don't like Brits in their top 5 Edited November 23, 2015 by mdmc82 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Garrity has ambition and wants to prove himself in the main body of the team. I think Newman would lose his place at Poole if he didn't agree to be on the draft. They don't like Brits in their top 5 Utter rubbish................Newman was going to be in the team when they introduced the draft in 2014 regardless............ Garrity chose not to go in the draft but the fact that reserves now have averages and can move up and down within the team makes a difference............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Garrity has ambition and wants to prove himself in the main body of the team. I think Newman would lose his place at Poole if he didn't agree to be on the draft. They don't like Brits in their top 5 Garrity would have only been reserve for the beginning of the season. Coventry would have a better team if he stayed in draft pick. Oh well Coventry's loss. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Utter rubbish................Newman was going to be in the team when they introduced the draft in 2014 regardless............ Garrity chose not to go in the draft but the fact that reserves now have averages and can move up and down within the team makes a difference............. RP Wondered how long it would be before you started barking 😜 Newman was only ever going to be at reserve before the draft was put in place as he has been now for several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I think Newman would lose his place at Poole if he didn't agree to be on the draft. They don't like Brits in their top 5 Wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob VDS Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 While it was Garrity's choice to move up (and fair play to him) I'm sure I saw somewhere that either Havvy or one of the promoters weren't particularly chuffed with his decision which I can understand. Wish him all the best though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le sorcier Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 But if Garrity was guaranteed to stay at Coventry, what would be the point in him going in the 1-5 if they could initially track him as a reserve? (albeit until the averages changed?) That makes no sense whatsoever? And is only detrimental to Coventry's teambuilding process? Am I missing something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) But if Garrity was guaranteed to stay at Coventry, what would be the point in him going in the 1-5 if they could initially track him as a reserve? (albeit until the averages changed?) That makes no sense whatsoever? And is only detrimental to Coventry's teambuilding process? Am I missing something? Garrityhas ambition. He hopes to be good enough to stay in the 1-5 all season and in the longer term to progress to heatleader. Fair play to him for showing some spirit. Faint heart never won fair maiden. Newman appears not to have the same determination. They still have to take Garrity's average into account for team building (albeit converted PL)whether he comes in as EDR Tier 1 reserve or as a second string. I think Garrity has done the right thing certainly for himself and probably for his club as well. Edited November 23, 2015 by E I Addio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 But if Garrity was guaranteed to stay at Coventry, what would be the point in him going in the 1-5 if they could initially track him as a reserve? (albeit until the averages changed?) That makes no sense whatsoever? And is only detrimental to Coventry's teambuilding process? Am I missing something? Fasttrack riders are on a fixed pay (well, in theory!), whereas top 5 riders aren't, so as a top 5 rider it is possible a rider could ask for more money/van, etc, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le sorcier Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Fasttrack riders are on a fixed pay (well, in theory!), whereas top 5 riders aren't, so as a top 5 rider it is possible a rider could ask for more money/van, etc, etc. Ah. That would give some reasoning to it then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Apologies if this is covered elsewhere but can anyone tell me why Jason Garrity is now a fully fledged rider in the 1-5 and Kyle Newman is still allowed to race as a reserve? Is it just to do with age/experience? And could Garrity drop down to reserve if his average dipped and will Kyle Newman go in the top 5 once the GSA's change? Thanks All down to the rider so fair play to him & fair play to his club who have kept him in their team rather than saying goodbye as we have more chance of being successful with you starting at reserve. Newman wouldn't have been in the Poole team if he wanted to do the same thing & to say anything else is pure rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm still missing the logic behind Garrity moving into the 1-5. Draft riders get averages after 4 meetings anyway. But him riding in reserve as a draft rider to start with would mean that right now Coventry would have a great team as someone like Barker could have replaced him in the 1-5 (meaning always one of Barker or Garrity in reserve) and Coventry would still have 6 points to find the last second string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le sorcier Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm still missing the logic behind Garrity moving into the 1-5. Draft riders get averages after 4 meetings anyway. But him riding in reserve as a draft rider to start with would mean that right now Coventry would have a great team as someone like Barker could have replaced him in the 1-5 (meaning always one of Barker or Garrity in reserve) and Coventry would still have 6 points to find the last second string. Well that's what I would have thought yes. It seems to be only detrimental to Coventry to track him in the 1-5 if you don't need to straight away? Strange, but then this is Speedway so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 If both Garrity and Sarjeant had been on the reserves list - then which one would Coventry have protected? And more to the point, would they have still got the other one in the draft? NB. For the record, Kyle Newman only agreed to go back on the list after it had been confirmed that there was the opportunity to move up after 4 meetings. As regards him 'having no spirit' or ambition, he has already ridden in Poland and the indications are good that he will do so again in 2016 - assuming Polish clubs can get their financial acts together!! I don't recall seeing Garrity's name featuring in the Polish results service?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) All down to the rider so fair play to him & fair play to his club who have kept him in their team rather than saying goodbye as we have more chance of being successful with you starting at reserve. Newman wouldn't have been in the Poole team if he wanted to do the same thing & to say anything else is pure rubbish. Cobblers, Newman is in a reserve berth as it is best for the whole of the Poole team building for 2016 bearing in mind he will more than likely move up into the top 5 after 4 meetings. Coventry have completely and utterly missed a trick on this one with Garrity. So as you say, anything else is complete rubbish. Edited November 23, 2015 by chris4gillian 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le sorcier Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm afraid this topic seems to have descended into bickering and oneupmanship, as so many posts seem to? How sad I only used Newman as an example because he is of a similar standard to Garrity (average wise). No other reason. Never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm afraid this topic seems to have descended into bickering and oneupmanship, as so many posts seem to? How sad I only used Newman as an example because he is of a similar standard to Garrity (average wise). No other reason. Never mind. Nah never mind eh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Cobblers, Newman is in a reserve berth as it is best for the whole of the Poole team building for 2016 bearing in mind he will more than likely move up into the top 5 after 4 meetings. Coventry have completely and utterly missed a trick on this one with Garrity. So as you say, anything else is complete rubbish. We missed an opportunity to choose a rider in the EDR draft who wasn't even part of the process? How stupid of us...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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