SCB Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 So who didn't believe when I said it was too high but is now panicking that their club are going to struggle to build anywhere near the points limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) I thought it was a bit high too, although if the reserves are getting converted averages it counteracts it slightly. Â But if riders are dropping out of the UK then it may cause problems for some clubs. Leicester, for example, could struggle. Â Then again - do we really need total equality at the start of the year? I remember a time when a good old 60 point thrashing over 13 heats was seen as great entertainment. Edited November 20, 2015 by grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I thought it was a bit high too, although if the reserves are getting converted averages it counteracts it slightly. Actually, it doesn't. As most of them averaged 5-7 in 2015, letting them in on 3-4 means losing 4 or 5 points straight away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Actually, it doesn't. As most of them averaged 5-7 in 2015, letting them in on 3-4 means losing 4 or 5 points straight away. On the BSPA site they are all listed as 3.00, so it will be a slight gain from that. Not much, though, if it's as you say. Â Don't worry. Everyone might get a chance to nick someone from Swindon's side half way though the year if a house appears on the back straight.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 The changing of the race format left so many riders around the six point mark. It also protected reserves from racing against the top riders week in week out, if they hadn't been wrapped in cotton wool they would have proper EL averages and the riders in the main teams would also have averages which varied a little more than being between 5.5-6.5, thus there would be no need for a heatleader grading list. Â Hopefully the race format changes back for 2016. It's madness teams chasing the likes of Kasprzak just because they need to use up all their points, then they'll be complaining when he averages six with the rubbish race format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 It doesn't really matter what the points limit is within a few points either way. All clubs start from the same team building position - zero and upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 It doesn't really matter what the points limit is within a few points either way. All clubs start from the same team building position - zero and upwards. Ah well, as a Poole fan it doesn't effect you so you can take a flippant attitude. Â It's NOT good for a team to be cast adrift from March and with no hope of building a decent team all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 It doesn't really matter what the points limit is within a few points either way. All clubs start from the same team building position - zero and upwards. Â The usual blind south coast attitude. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 It doesn't really matter what the points limit is within a few points either way. All clubs start from the same team building position - zero and upwards. Even with a low points limit, the best teams tend to get to the top by choosing the best available riders on certain averages. Â The rest are then left to pick over what is left, and it can mean having an uninteresting side that struggles. Â You can bet that whatever the points limit, the likes of Poole, Swindon and Coventry are going to be near the top come the end of the year - and two of those sides are in danger of not being around much longer. Â But other sides need to be kept competitive in this era of low crowds and team struggling to survive financially. Â The points limit can make quite a difference at the moment with the league losing top riders every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Over the last five or six months I've found myself drifting away from domestic speedway after thirty plus years of almost fanatical support, I haven't been on here for a long while and I think I attended seven meetings last season after years and years of 30+ season in, season out. Suffice to say even before Puk decided to sit out the UK (don't blame him or any GP rider) the coming EL season looked unappealing with more big names opting out and a too high a points limit controlling the riders who are left. No doubt an extra pound will be lumped on admission for what is an annually weaker product and overall I can't see me even making the seven meetings I did last season in 2016. The enthusiasm just isn't there any more which a few years ago would have been heartbreaking but just doesn't seem to matter. Hopefully Buster can use his five years to sort things out but without support I'm not sure he can do an awful lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Ah well, as a Poole fan it doesn't effect you so you can take a flippant attitude. Â It's NOT good for a team to be cast adrift from March and with no hope of building a decent team all season. I agree. I try and look it at if I was a Leicester fan and it doesn't look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 It doesn't really matter what the points limit is within a few points either way. All clubs start from the same team building position - zero and upwards. Ostrich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I agree there is a big problem. Â The question is did the owners of the clubs realise that so many riders would not ride here this year. Â When the points limit was announced all the owners started to build their teams. Some did not get riders they thought they would and others had a plan and used that as their starting point. Â I do not quite see what anyone thinks an owner should do. Â Maybe, the EL should be abolished and joined with the PL to make two leagues but what would happen to riders like Harris, Doyle, and a few more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I agree there is a big problem. Â The question is did the owners of the clubs realise that so many riders would not ride here this year. Â When the points limit was announced all the owners started to build their teams. Some did not get riders they thought they would and others had a plan and used that as their starting point. Â I do not quite see what anyone thinks an owner should do. Â Maybe, the EL should be abolished and joined with the PL to make two leagues but what would happen to riders like Harris, Doyle, and a few more? The points limit should have been nearer 38 than 40.5. I know some fans would have moaned but they're going to moan even more at the poor teams and mis-matched meetings we'll get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Any sport where the same teams dominate becomes less appealing over time & the promotors must have known the GP riders who rode here last season were seriously considering not riding here in 2016. Â Are they really that daft not to have realised it & the way the draft reserves has been done since day one was ridiculous & then they go & change the race format so averages become a lottery. Â It really is a dreadful situation & those who made these decisions should hang their heads in shame. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 The points limit should have been nearer 38 than 40.5. I know some fans would have moaned but they're going to moan even more at the poor teams and mis-matched meetings we'll get.Definitely going to be picking mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Ah well, as a Poole fan it doesn't effect you so you can take a flippant attitude. Â It's NOT good for a team to be cast adrift from March and with no hope of building a decent team all season. So who's fault is thats ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 The thing is all teams start out on a level playing field so to speak.............last year it was set at 34 and the reserves were not included...........this year it is set at 40.5 and the reserve are included.................... Â The majority of reserve pairings have in the region of 7 or 8 points leaving around 32.5 for the main team which is lower than last year.............. Â It was always known that some GP stars may not be back but with some second strings on over inflated averages and some heat leaders on lower averages than they should be it should even its self out............... Â RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerback Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 sad state of affairs if sides are struggling to get an attractive side together with a points limit set lower than the 46 points it takes to win a match im very much in fear for our sport  i hope buster and co at the bspa can rescue the situation but i fear its too late maybe a 1 big league can save it for a few seasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) So who's fault is thats ?It's not a question of whose fault it is, it's a matter of what are the consequeces. The consequences of a team being cast adrift in March with no hope of building a decent team, are that attendances which are barely sustainable at present will suffer further and the risk of closure arises. That is the point SCB was driving at. My goodness, there are some blinkered thickos on the South Coast but you take the biscuit. No Speedwáy fan with an element of decency about him wants to see fellow fans watching a rubbish team getting beat every week,even if if idiots like you think it's funny. Edited November 20, 2015 by E I Addio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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