solrac Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 So how come Eastbourne didn't win the Elite League very often if that's your argument? How about Lakeside and their 'trick track' ? And Rye House and their tight track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummiestormer Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Well we'll see who's Champions at the end of the season i'll have a £20 bet with you that Eastbourne will win the title after the play offs--if you want to take this up pm me and we will sort it no problem Edited December 2, 2015 by Brummiestormer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Indeed, suggests to me some clubs were swayed more by the possibility of 1 or 2 extra nights of revenue and coverage than the fact they have made Eastbourne 2016 champions before it's even 2016... I will be up to Perry Barr to collect the trophy tomorrow. 9:30 ok for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrac Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Consider it done Sir. Looks like an interesting season ahead whoever wins with 12 teams. Onwards an upwards for the National League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Well we'll see who's Champions at the end of the season i'll have a £20 bet with you that Eastbourne will win the title after the play offs--if you want to take this up pm me and we will sort it no problem Well I am not so sure you are right, Brum will have the best 2 reserves on paper, that 40 point limit will mean you can have Tom, Zach, and still leaves you with 16 points for the other 3, personally I would go for another 3 pointer, and use the 13 points for two progressive second strings. I don't know why the tactical rides have been done away with, but seems a pretty sensible agm all told, Great to see The Islanders and Colts back in the NL, except for reinstating Play Offs, never agreed with them, and never will. Edited December 2, 2015 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Apart from the unwanted play offs,it should be a cracking season with plenty of highly competitive riders involved many of whom will be confident now that they are going to have somewhere to actually ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 So how come Eastbourne didn't win the Elite League very often if that's your argument? How about Lakeside and their 'trick track' ? And Rye House and their tight track? Different standard of rider is the simple answer to that. And Eastie's inability to compete with the moneybags teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrac Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 We'll see. Always interesting when other teams get their excuses in early. There are loads of quirky or difficult tracks out there - Rye House, Kent and Mildenhall are small, IOW and Kings Lynn are big by British standards. Easbourne happened to have a very good team last season otherwise they'd have been tonked away every time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 We'll see. Always interesting when other teams get their excuses in early. There are loads of quirky or difficult tracks out there - Rye House, Kent and Mildenhall are small, IOW and Kings Lynn are big by British standards. Easbourne happened to have a very good team last season otherwise they'd have been tonked away every time. Isn't that the point of having a good team because if you have a bad one of course you will get thrashed every time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 anybody see the N.L.R.C. going anywhere other than kent? Kent may not be the best place for a meeting that often has multiple re-runs and tends to over run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Kent may not be the best place for a meeting that often has multiple re-runs and tends to over run Surely it should go to the National Speedway Stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrac Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Good idea. Or a neutral venue like Somerset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) So how come Eastbourne didn't win the Elite League very often if that's your argument? How about Lakeside and their 'trick track' ? And Rye House and their tight track? Because at EL level, Poole, Swindon, Coventry etc hoover up all the expensive foreign talent, leaving many other teams to feed off the scraps, additionally the trick track nature of Arlington is far worse at NL level due to the inexperienced nature of the majority of the riders, handing a massive advantage to those who ride it every week, at least EL riders will have some experience of such tracks and even then a number still can't hack it. If experienced EL middle order riders have trouble with certain trick tracks, how in any way is it right to expect a NL 3 pointer riding the place for the first time to stand a chance ?. Edited December 2, 2015 by david2905 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummiestormer Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I have no doubt it will be another cracking season of racing but ultimately even if Birmingham finish top as we may well do-- over 2 legs Eastbourne will always win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Because at EL level, Poole, Swindon, Coventry etc hoover up all the expensive foreign talent, leaving many other teams to feed off the scraps, additionally the trick track nature of Arlington is far worse at NL level due to the inexperienced nature of the majority of the riders, handing a massive advantage to those who ride it every week, at least EL riders will have some experience of such tracks and even then a number still can't hack it. If experienced EL middle order riders have trouble with certain trick tracks, how in any way is it right to expect a NL 3 pointer riding the place for the first time to stand a chance ?. May I remind you of the Buxton pact earlier this year? They turned up and ran us right to the wire we were losing all the way until Brad and Ben finally switched on. Also Cradley and Birmingham haven't done too badly this season at our place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrac Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Because at EL level, Poole, Swindon, Coventry etc hoover up all the expensive foreign talent, leaving many other teams to feed off the scraps, additionally the trick track nature of Arlington is far worse at NL level due to the inexperienced nature of the majority of the riders, handing a massive advantage to those who ride it every week, at least EL riders will have some experience of such tracks and even then a number still can't hack it. If experienced EL middle order riders have trouble with certain trick tracks, how in any way is it right to expect a NL 3 pointer riding the place for the first time to stand a chance ?. What is the solution then? Close Eastbourne? The three pointers will indeed struggle, as will ours at away venues. A large number of National League riders will have ridden there now so should improve, and since we're in the NL for the long term they'll have plenty of chances to get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummiestormer Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 What is the solution then? Close Eastbourne? The three pointers will indeed struggle, as will ours at away venues. A large number of National League riders will have ridden there now so should improve, and since we're in the NL for the long term they'll have plenty of chances to get used to it. The solution was to leave it as it was and not decided the league in play offs ---but won by the best team over the season not a four team debacle at the end!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Im not too impressed with the AGM, pleased with the 40 point limit and the introduction of the IOW and Colts but a few bad decisions. Firstly don't agree with the scrapping of the tactical rule, I know its not everyones cup of tea but what happens if a team gets off to such a good start, more and more meetings will be over by Heat 8. Secondly and its what infuriated me the most is the introduction of the playoffs, I hate them with a passion. The Elite League has to have them because of Sky and yes they create a bit of end of season drama but they are so unfair. If a side is top of the table after 20 odd matches, they have won the league on MERIT. I cant understand why the promotors have bought them back, we only confirmed the league title in early September, when for a long while it was between 3 clubs and the gold cup was I thought was a success. Another thing, so if Peterborough and the Brummies are riding the same night, its Pboro who get to have Tom Perry. If so that is wrong because even though its great the best NL riders are getting chances in the league above, this league is their bread and butter. I can plenty of matches next year full of guests and R/R. Disappointed with the promotors Edited December 3, 2015 by Brummie Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) What is the solution then? Close Eastbourne? The three pointers will indeed struggle, as will ours at away venues. A large number of National League riders will have ridden there now so should improve, and since we're in the NL for the long term they'll have plenty of chances to get used to it. As BrummieStormer says, immediate best decision would have been to leave the champions as first past the post, longer term Eastbourne should really look at rebuilding their track to a more conventional shape. Mention has been made of team running Eastbourne close at home, how much of this was due to some decent performances by heatleaders though ?, the Greenwoods and Ellis's can probably give it a fair go, but what did the away sides tail end score in these meetings ?, tracks like Perry Barr and Kings Lynn are much more typical and far easier to suss out after a first ride and score some points. Edited December 3, 2015 by david2905 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 The consensus on here is that the play offs are an unfair way of deciding the league champs So the only reason they are back in is that some promoters think they will produce more revenue for them at the end of the season..A separate cup competition between the top 4 teams would do the same..So why ???..They actually get something right for once,, then they change it,,I dont get it!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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