junior fan Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 There aren't any Aussie riders... and keep up with what. As far as I know the only rider from round that way is Brad but he isn't an Aussie There aren't any Aussie riders... and keep up with what. As far as I know the only rider from round that way is Brad but he isn't an Aussie Guesssing it was an underhanded dig at Rob, an aussie born lad that commited to the Uk. Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Guesssing it was an underhanded dig at Rob, an aussie born lad that commited to the Uk. Junior Oh i see. If he committed to uk then it doesn't really count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) I would like to see the play offs return (hated the idea when they came in), but after a couple of months only really brum or Eastbourne looked like winning. Whereas if the play offs were held 8 or 9 teams would have still been able to win the league after August. Edited November 25, 2015 by teaboy279 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I would like to see the play offs return (hated the idea when they came in), but after a couple of months only really brum or Eastbourne looked like winning. Whereas if the play offs were held 8 or 9 teams would have still been able to win the league after August. But we would win with our 'trick track' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 You certainly have significant home advantage but one key rider has an issue and anything can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I feel a league competition should be won by the team with the most points after all matches have been ridden and declared champions..It is still easy to put on a competition for the top 4 clubs to have some highly competitive meetings at the end of the season with a trophy whatever you want to call it...Just my opinion.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I feel a league competition should be won by the team with the most points after all matches have been ridden and declared champions..It is still easy to put on a competition for the top 4 clubs to have some highly competitive meetings at the end of the season with a trophy whatever you want to call it...Just my opinion.... it's not just your opinion, i totally agree and the national league proved it this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 it's not just your opinion, i totally agree and the national league proved it this year. I think this years experiment worked. Teams outside of the top 3 were still pushing to make the Gold Cup (Buxton brought in JPB, Coventry tried to fit in as many meetings by the cut-off as they could and look how Rye hit form late on) and it kept the league competitive despite Birmingham looking like league winners for a long time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I feel a league competition should be won by the team with the most points after all matches have been ridden and declared champions..It is still easy to put on a competition for the top 4 clubs to have some highly competitive meetings at the end of the season with a trophy whatever you want to call it...Just my opinion.... Quite right. How after a full season a team that finishes (say 4th) can be worthy Champions is beyond me ? Gold Cup was a good idea and all Clubs were trying to get in it. I would like to see this trophy sponsored to give it more clout etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I agree with the last couple of posts. This season worked well with Birmingham rightly crowned champions and Eastbourne rewarded richly for their form as the season drew to a close. The right teams took the major honours while interest was maintained for most clubs right up until the last few meetings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 That's fair shout, so looks like I am in the minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummiestormer Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I'm sure Eastbourne would have won the title if the play off system---and with us losing out to Poole after finishing top of the EL losing that way would have been a little hard to take so i'm dead against play offs---even if Eastbourne finish top next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 I'm sure Eastbourne would have won the title if the play off system---and with us losing out to Poole after finishing top of the EL losing that way would have been a little hard to take so i'm dead against play offs---even if Eastbourne finish top next season.Most Eastbourne fans would agree with you. We would not have wanted to win the league that way. Bitter memories of the first Elite League Play Off in 2002 when after topping the league by 4 points, an injury before the final to (I believe) No 1 Mark Loram saw a raw 16 year old (Eddie Kennett) make his debut. No guest allowed then. The result inevitably a 6 point aggregate win and forever bragging rights to Wolverhampton. I have always been strongly against play off's for league winners, can you imagine the reaction if the Premier Football league suggested it. Just another reason why speedway does not get taken seriously in some quarters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Most Eastbourne fans would agree with you. We would not have wanted to win the league that way. Bitter memories of the first Elite League Play Off in 2002 when after topping the league by 4 points, an injury before the final to (I believe) No 1 Mark Loram saw a raw 16 year old (Eddie Kennett) make his debut. No guest allowed then. The result inevitably a 6 point aggregate win and forever bragging rights to Wolverhampton. I have always been strongly against play off's for league winners, can you imagine the reaction if the Premier Football league suggested it. Just another reason why speedway does not get taken seriously in some quarters. Agree with all you say. The riding factor behind the play-offs in the Elite League is TV. They want to be there when the League is won. There is no doubt the play-off Final attracts big crowds but that is because the rest of the season crowds are poor. NL have got it right as far as I am concerned. Could they now vote to get RID of the stupid Double points crap and bring back T/S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Could they now vote to get RID of the stupid Double points crap and bring back T/S. Now I do agree with that and NO playoffs ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 What's tactical sub? Surely if it means bring in a better rider in a race that is full of lesser riders that's unfair advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) What's tactical sub? Surely if it means bring in a better rider in a race that is full of lesser riders that's unfair advantage You're spot on Alex and its a bad idea in the NL especially as you'd be taking rides away from the weaker/younger riders who need as much track time as possible rather than putting a heat leader in a race that he can win easily. Edited November 27, 2015 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 You're spot on Alex and its a bad idea in the NL especially as you'd 2 taking rides away from the weaker/younger riders who need as much track time as possible rather than putting a heat leader in a race that he can win easily. Thats next level of ridiculous for a rule. might as well just write 3 points on their score and let the younger rider take the ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 For me something does need to be done about the tactical rule. (whether or not it be the black and white or the old t/s). Time and again I hear that the purpose of the tactical is to make matches closer. (You can just hear everyone inserting the word 'artificially' between the words matches and closer.) This is plainly ridiculous and makes a mockery of all the other rules we have in place such as averages. But I do believe speedway needs a tactical element. After all most other sports do so. It provides talking points on the terraces. Incidentally the old T/S rule provides more opportunity for terrace managers than the double points although I take the point of those that say it would not help with rider development. I have said it before and I will keep on saying it. The tactical rule (whichever rule you use) should have as its aim a very simple very reasonable target. Its stated aim should be NOT to make matches closer. Its stated aim should be to combat home track advantage.(Sorry Eastbourne lol.) As such the facility should only be available to the away side. This is entirely reasonable in my book. For what it is worth. I think the national league got it right this year. The winner of the league is the winner of the league. As for the gold cup. Some have said that such a competition would not be supported. I did not see that. It seemed to be very well supported from where I was standing. First Cradley (unsuccessfully) and the Eastie (successfully) wanted to topple the league leaders and all of the matches I saw were well supported. My guess is that at the AGM (On my sons Birthday.) Eastbourne will arrive with the proposal to re-instate the play offs. The others, if they have any sense, will say 'on yer bike. I do wonder, with BT entering the speedway fray if we may see a change in things come the next time the sky contract is due. If we have two providers courting us then speedway would be in a better position to dictate how things happen. I live in hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Thats next level of ridiculous for a rule. might as well just write 3 points on their score and let the younger rider take the ride. it used to happen in the 'good old days' alex, but the many advocates of bringing the rule back seem not to take into account that many young riders along with their mums & dads are not going to be willing to drive the length and breath of england for 2 races every meeting. if people want rid of the double points ride then by all means get rid of it so the scores are the scores and thats an end to it. they shouldn't replace it with an equally ridiculous rule that will also lead to riders getting p*****ed off and leaving the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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