The Heat Leader List....

[Game On]

Complete shambles.

Is doesn't bare thinking where the sport will be in a few years.

Extinct.

[SteveLyric2]

Exactly that! And the stupid thing is, we'll have the same problems next year because the idiots running the sport have kept the same format.

Without the 'idiots' (the promoters) running the sport, there wouldn't be a sport!!

[Hamish McRaker]

Indeed , let's examine how it will work.

 

Heat leaders supposedly universally selected by all promotions for fairness to all teams and will start as a second string if they aren't in the top 3 of their teams averages making those heat leaders second strings at the start of the year.

The BSPA must try harder to ensure we don't understand any logic at all in 2017.

......as Sir Humphrey would say to Jim Hacker

[Woz01]

Without the 'idiots' (the promoters) running the sport, there wouldn't be a sport!!

Rubbish! Someone else should be running the sport. You don't get the Man City's owner being chairman of the FA. The system British Speedway has is geared up for self interest and not for the best of the sport.

[E I Addio]

The reason Kennetts average is below 6 is because he rode as a heat leader. Thus has a bargin average. If he had rode as a second string he'd have a 7.5 average.

 

 

 

 

But if he had a 7.5 average he wouldn't be a second string, he would be a heatleader, even at Poole.

[stevebrum]

But if he had a 7.5 average he wouldn't be a second string, he would be a heatleader, even at Poole.

If you are using the promoters logic it could mean either!

[Crazy robin]

Without the 'idiots' (the promoters) running the sport, there wouldn't be a sport!!

The sport should be ran by a independent person & not by promotors who have an ulterior motive.

 

Promotors should run their clubs & that should be it.

 

How do you fail to see that?.

[SteveLyric2]

Rubbish! Someone else should be running the sport. You don't get the Man City's owner being chairman of the FA. The system British Speedway has is geared up for self interest and not for the best of the sport.

 

By the same token, you don't get the Chairman of the FA telling the Man City owner how to run his business. In fact all of football's Premiership clubs decide themselves what goes on in the Premiership, rather than the toothless FA having any say in the top level!!

 

The point of this particular topic is the Heat Leader list as drawn up and agreed by those clubs within the EL. Whether fans or whoever can pick up on discrepancies with the list or the formula or who might be on or not on the list is really irrelevant. It has been agreed by all the decision makers, with all its flaws, and although someone 'independent' may well have come up with a different list or a different method of 'equalisation' after the changes of race format - that would undoubtedly have been the subject of as much derision as the current list.

 

The independent person/body is an old chestnut which would doubtless improve things in an ideal world - but speedway isn't an ideal world and nobody has been able to come up with a truly independent person/body who would be willing or able to meet all the 'independent' criteria whilst having some working knowledge of how the sport works.

[Hamish McRaker]

pure comedy gold from the people clowns who run our sport...

That's a Clownist remark.

Clowns have a well established and recognised training and apprenticeship, and are competent and skilfull.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

As has been stated by most this problem will only be worse next year if the format isnt changed back.

Surely therees still time for them to see sense and revert to the traditional set up?

Perhaps protect heat 8 to give the No7s another guaranteed ride against each other and what is usually the weaker second string.

No more than that needed IMO.

[Woz01]

 

By the same token, you don't get the Chairman of the FA telling the Man City owner how to run his business. In fact all of football's Premiership clubs decide themselves what goes on in the Premiership, rather than the toothless FA having any say in the top level!!

 

The point of this particular topic is the Heat Leader list as drawn up and agreed by those clubs within the EL. Whether fans or whoever can pick up on discrepancies with the list or the formula or who might be on or not on the list is really irrelevant. It has been agreed by all the decision makers, with all its flaws, and although someone 'independent' may well have come up with a different list or a different method of 'equalisation' after the changes of race format - that would undoubtedly have been the subject of as much derision as the current list.

 

The independent person/body is an old chestnut which would doubtless improve things in an ideal world - but speedway isn't an ideal world and nobody has been able to come up with a truly independent person/body who would be willing or able to meet all the 'independent' criteria whilst having some working knowledge of how the sport works.

Yes the clubs get a vote but they vote what the board presents them! PL board has independent members as well as 3 or 4 club owners.

 

No one can tell me that someone with a bit of intelligence can not assume the position as an independent head of the BSPA along with some others. Other sports do it easily enough, by all means have 2-3 promoters on the board but it needs independent people to make it credible.

[arnieg]

No one can tell me that someone with a bit of intelligence can not assume the position as an independent head of the BSPA along with some others. Other sports do it easily enough, by all means have 2-3 promoters on the board but it needs independent people to make it credible.

But anyone with the requisite intelligence and a knowledge of the sport would know that the position would be a poisoned chalice to be avoided at all costs.

 

And if anybody actually wanted the job you would have to doubt their sanity.

[Shale Searcher]

Where do we find an independant body of people to run/police our sport? Without ending up with someone who does have an ulterior motive?

[E I Addio]

Yes the clubs get a vote but they vote what the board presents them! PL board has independent members as well as 3 or 4 club owners.

 

No one can tell me that someone with a bit of intelligence can not assume the position as an independent head of the BSPA along with some others. Other sports do it easily enough, by all means have 2-3 promoters on the board but it needs independent people to make it credible.

 

So the ACU have delegated conduct of the sport to the SCB, and the SCB have in turn delegated the day-to-day running of the sport to the BSPA. and you reckon that yet another level of bureaucracy is the answer ?

[Woz01]

 

So the ACU have delegated conduct of the sport to the SCB, and the SCB have in turn delegated the day-to-day running of the sport to the BSPA. and you reckon that yet another level of bureaucracy is the answer ?

No. Just that independent representation to be on the committee.

Where do we find an independant body of people to run/police our sport? Without ending up with someone who does have an ulterior motive?

Anybody who has never been involved in the sport.

But anyone with the requisite intelligence and a knowledge of the sport would know that the position would be a poisoned chalice to be avoided at all costs.

 

And if anybody actually wanted the job you would have to doubt their sanity.

Your last sentence is probably true but shows what the sport has become due to self interest and poor management/planning.

[damosuzuki]

Where do we find an independant body of people to run/police our sport? Without ending up with someone who does have an ulterior motive?

 

Ex Fifa guys. Plenty.

[Aces51]

So the ACU have delegated conduct of the sport to the SCB, and the SCB have in turn delegated the day-to-day running of the sport to the BSPA. and you reckon that yet another level of bureaucracy is the answer ?

 

All that is really needed is an effective SCB. They should properly scrutinise the proposed rule book each year, refuse to approve any rules which are open to interpretation or just plain silly and advise what amendments or changes are needed. They should police decisions made by the BSPA and investigate and rule on any decisions which are contrary to the approved rules or not in the best interests of the sport. They should be empowered to take the initiative and not have to rely on people within the sport fist having to report matters to them by way of complaint or an appeal.

[SCB]

 

 

But if he had a 7.5 average he wouldn't be a second string, he would be a heatleader, even at Poole.

But it should be a list of 2016 "heat leaders" but a list of 2015 "heat leaders". Surely you can see Kennett has a bargain average due to being a heat leader?

[E I Addio]

All that is really needed is an effective SCB. They should properly scrutinise the proposed rule book each year, refuse to approve any rules which are open to interpretation or just plain silly and advise what amendments or changes are needed. They should police decisions made by the BSPA and investigate and rule on any decisions which are contrary to the approved rules or not in the best interests of the sport. They should be empowered to take the initiative and not have to rely on people within the sport fist having to report matters to them by way of complaint or an appeal.

I agree. They have the delegated responsibility for the sport. We don't need a separate independent body making another layer of beaurocracy. The present structure is adequate, it just needs to be made to work properly, but as others have said, we don't live in a perfect world.

[SteveLyric2]

Just a thought, but whatever the racing format in past years, its the riders' finishing average that dictates whether he ends the season as a heat leader or a 2nd string, no matter how many meetings they may have ridden in different team positions during the season.

 

Looking at the list, that seems to be the core of what the BSPA have done, plus adding those riders from the GP/Euro list that might be attracted to the EL eg, the KKs of this world.

 

With the likes of Leicester now being rumoured to be offering a big contract to a former Polish GP rider, maybe if they had acted sooner (the AGM's been over for a month or more!) they could have had a stronger team in place by now?!