SCB Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 So taking every riders last 20 meetings, here as the number of meetings they rode as a heat leader. Take out Bjarne, Mads, Woffy, Ward, Zagar, Pawlicki, Magic, Pawlicki, Kildemand, Michelsen, Swiderski, Bridger and Guastafsson and assume the rest return then your 22 BSPA heat leaders should be everyone from Buckowski/King and up - but thats 23 riders. There are a few anomalies, Buczkowski, MJJ, Hougaard and Miedzinski for example rode 100% of meetings as a heat leader so should be shifted up but as I don't expect 3 of them to ride EL in 2016 they don't matter. But it does make Buczkowski a contentious one! Personally, I'd have just made the cut-off 14. The riders it was brought in to stop dropping to second string were Lindgren, Andersen and Bjerre and they fall within my cut-off. As for the rest, they could well be second strings or their averages are so high that they're heat leaders anyway. rank meetings rider 1 20 Bjarne Pedersen 1 20 Jason Doyle 1 20 Chris Harris 1 20 Rory Schlein 1 20 Troy Batchelor 1 20 Niels K Iversen 1 20 Mads Korneliussen 1 20 Peter Karlsson 1 20 Fredrik Lindgren 1 20 Tai Woffinden 1 20 Darcy Ward 1 20 Matej Zagar 1 20 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 1 20 Nick Morris 1 20 Maciej Janowski 1 20 Piotr Pawlicki 1 20 Andreas Jonsson 18 19 Scott Nicholls 19 18 Grzegorz Walasek 20 17 Peter Kildemand 21 16 Dakota North 21 16 Edward Kennett 21 16 Chris Holder 21 16 Hans Andersen 25 15 Kenneth Bjerre 25 15 Craig Cook 27 14 Mikkel Michelsen 28 13 Mikkel B Jensen 28 13 Ricky Wells 28 13 Joonas Kylmakorpi 31 12 Piotr Swiderski 32 11 Vaclav Milik 32 11 Lewis Bridger 32 11 Simon Gustafsson 35 9 Danny King 35 9 Krzysztof Buczkowski 37 8 Cameron Woodward 37 8 Ryan Fisher 39 7 Davey Watt 39 7 Simon Stead 39 7 Michael Jepsen Jensen 39 7 Tobiasz Musielak 43 6 Patrick Hougaard 44 4 Kim Nilsson 44 4 Grzegorz Zengota 44 4 Szymon Wozniak 47 3 Robert Lambert 47 3 Richard Lawson 47 3 Ty Proctor 47 3 Josh Grajczonek 51 2 Adrian Miedzinski 52 1 Kenneth Hansen 52 1 Ben Barker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 They should have done rider gradings for the whole top five. Grade 5 being the top riders and grade 1 being the lowest ranked. Points limit is 15 with the grades counting as points towards this limit. Couple of examples below: Holder - Grade 5 (5 points) Cook - Grade 4 (4 points) Milik - Grade 3 (3 points) Kennett - Grade 2 (2 points) Sedgemen - Grade 1 (1 point) Total 15 points. Obviously that is the most simple way of doing things but another example is as follows : Batchelor Grade 4 (4 points) Cook Grade 4 (4 points) Milik Grade 3 (3 points) Graczonek Grade 3 (3 points) Sedgemen Grade 1 (1 point) Of course there would be more arguments about who should be in what grade but then that's nothing new and would at least work for this season whilst false averages are worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) They should have done rider gradings for the whole top five. Grade 5 being the top riders and grade 1 being the lowest ranked. Points limit is 15 with the grades counting as points towards this limit. Couple of examples below: Holder - Grade 5 (5 points) Cook - Grade 4 (4 points) Milik - Grade 3 (3 points) Kennett - Grade 2 (2 points) Sedgemen - Grade 1 (1 point) Total 15 points. Obviously that is the most simple way of doing things but another example is as follows : Batchelor Grade 4 (4 points) Cook Grade 4 (4 points) Milik Grade 3 (3 points) Graczonek Grade 3 (3 points) Sedgemen Grade 1 (1 point) Of course there would be more arguments about who should be in what grade but then that's nothing new and would at least work for this season whilst false averages are worked out. But straight away I look at that and I'm left asking, in what World is Kennett 2 and not 4?! How do you determine the grades? He's certianly better than Grajzonek and Milik! Edited November 18, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Well, like I said, arguments over this sort of thing are common place. The list was done very quickly so the grades I allocated weren't put together with too much thought. Just an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Grading is an awful idea imho. Marginal rider become superb signings or unemployable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 That appears to be what we have got anyway!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Grading is an awful idea imho. Marginal rider become superb signings or unemployable It goes back to what I suggested a few weeks ago. Weight all riders averages based on the position they rode in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 thats a brilliant new idea, weigh all the riders and no one allowed to have a team that is over 90 stone in weight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 thats a brilliant new idea, weigh all the riders and no one allowed to have a team that is over 90 stone in weight. Like it - it's no worse than the stupid rules the BSPA come up with. Still open to abuse though - I bet Matt Ford would get all his intended riders to go on diet before signing...and what happens in 2017 when a riders weight goes up - presume he will have a rolling fat average to apply to team building Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 I thought Screeny had retired!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 So how about this list. What riders averaged riding as a heat leader in 2015.... 1 Darcy Ward 9.28 2 Jason Doyle 9.13 3 Maciej Janowski 8.86 4 Niels K Iversen 8.86 5 Peter Kildemand 8.40 6 Andreas Jonsson 7.84 7 Matej Zagar 7.60 8 Rory Schlein 7.48 9 Chris Harris 7.29 10 Chris Holder 7.18 11 Craig Cook 7.04 12 Scott Nicholls 6.86 13 Troy Batchelor 6.76 14 Nick Morris 6.57 15 Robert Lambert 6.46 16 Fredrik Lindgren 6.45 17 Hans Andersen 6.42 18 Richard Lawson 6.17 19 Joonas Kylmakorpi 6.04 20 Grzegorz Walasek 5.97 21 Mikkel B Jensen 5.93 22 Edward Kennett 5.92 23 Dakota North 5.74 24 Peter Karlsson 5.68 25 Kenneth Bjerre 5.67 26 Danny King 5.47 27 Davey Watt 5.37 28 Ricky Wells 5.31 29 Grzegorz Zengota 5.26 30 Kim Nilsson 5.11 31 Szymon Wozniak 5.11 32 Vaclav Milik 4.43 33 Tobiasz Musielak 4.34 34 Piotr Swiderski 3.82 35 Josh Grajczonek 3.67 36 Bjarne Pedersen 3.60 37 Jacob Thorssell 3.33 38 Simon Stead 3.20 39 Adrian Miedzinski 1.14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Shows that King and watt should not be hl no matter what way you look at it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Shows that King and watt should not be hl no matter what way you look at it. Exactly! God knows who "felt" they should be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bees_Man Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Makes you wonder why Coventry signed King knowing he'd be a HL for 2016. Crazy decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Makes you wonder why Coventry signed King knowing he'd be a HL for 2016. Crazy decision. Even more so considering is narrowed our options for the 2nd string role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 So how about this list. What riders averaged riding as a heat leader in 2015.... 1 Darcy Ward 9.282 Jason Doyle 9.133 Maciej Janowski 8.864 Niels K Iversen 8.865 Peter Kildemand 8.406 Andreas Jonsson 7.847 Matej Zagar 7.608 Rory Schlein 7.489 Chris Harris 7.2910 Chris Holder 7.1811 Craig Cook 7.0412 Scott Nicholls 6.8613 Troy Batchelor 6.7614 Nick Morris 6.5715 Robert Lambert 6.4616 Fredrik Lindgren 6.4517 Hans Andersen 6.4218 Richard Lawson 6.1719 Joonas Kylmakorpi 6.0420 Grzegorz Walasek 5.9721 Mikkel B Jensen 5.9322 Edward Kennett 5.9223 Dakota North 5.7424 Peter Karlsson 5.6825 Kenneth Bjerre 5.6726 Danny King 5.4727 Davey Watt 5.3728 Ricky Wells 5.3129 Grzegorz Zengota 5.2630 Kim Nilsson 5.1131 Szymon Wozniak 5.1132 Vaclav Milik 4.4333 Tobiasz Musielak 4.3434 Piotr Swiderski 3.8235 Josh Grajczonek 3.6736 Bjarne Pedersen 3.6037 Jacob Thorssell 3.3338 Simon Stead 3.2039 Adrian Miedzinski 1.14 Could you add the number of matches & rides to the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) Could you add the number of matches & rides to the list?# Rider - Meetings - bonus - Points - Rides - CMA 1 Darcy Ward - 10 - 14 - 116 - 50 - 9.28 2 Jason Doyle - 27 - 9 - 308 - 135 - 9.13 3 Maciej Janowski - 23 - 20 - 226 - 102 - 8.86 4 Niels K Iversen - 26 - 9 - 288 - 130 - 8.86 5 Peter Kildemand - 2 - 2 - 21 - 10 - 8.40 6 Andreas Jonsson - 20 - 14 - 198 - 101 - 7.84 7 Matej Zagar - 24 - 12 - 207 - 109 - 7.60 8 Rory Schlein - 10 - 12 - 86 - 46 - 7.48 9 Chris Harris - 27 - 40 - 237 - 130 - 7.29 10 Chris Holder - 21 - 13 - 167 - 93 - 7.18 11 Craig Cook - 15 - 10 - 118 - 67 - 7.04 12 Scott Nicholls - 27 - 24 - 216 - 126 - 6.86 13 Troy Batchelor - 22 - 27 - 169 - 100 - 6.76 14 Nick Morris - 22 - 21 - 156 - 95 - 6.57 15 Robert Lambert - 3 - 3 - 21 - 13 - 6.46 16 Fredrik Lindgren - 27 - 22 - 208 - 129 - 6.45 17 Hans Andersen - 21 - 15 - 138 - 86 - 6.42 18 Richard Lawson - 8 - 10 - 54 - 35 - 6.17 19 Joonas Kylmakorpi - 13 - 7 - 77 - 51 - 6.04 20 Grzegorz Walasek - 17 - 10 - 97 - 65 - 5.97 21 Mikkel B Jensen - 14 - 14 - 89 - 60 - 5.93 22 Edward Kennett - 16 - 6 - 105 - 71 - 5.92 23 Dakota North - 24 - 17 - 152 - 106 - 5.74 24 Peter Karlsson - 21 - 17 - 135 - 95 - 5.68 25 Kenneth Bjerre - 21 - 12 - 129 - 91 - 5.67 26 Danny King - 16 - 13 - 93 - 68 - 5.47 27 Davey Watt - 10 - 4 - 55 - 41 - 5.37 28 Ricky Wells - 13 - 5 - 73 - 55 - 5.31 29 Grzegorz Zengota - 4 - 5 - 25 - 19 - 5.26 30 Kim Nilsson - 4 - 5 - 23 - 18 - 5.11 31 Szymon Wozniak - 4 - 2 - 23 - 18 - 5.11 32 Vaclav Milik - 6 - 5 - 31 - 28 - 4.43 33 Tobiasz Musielak - 9 - 6 - 38 - 35 - 4.34 34 Piotr Swiderski - 11 - 7 - 43 - 45 - 3.82 35 Josh Grajczonek - 3 - 2 - 11 - 12 - 3.67 36 Bjarne Pedersen - 5 - 3 - 18 - 20 - 3.60 37 Jacob Thorssell - 6 - 1 - 20 - 24 - 3.33 38 Simon Stead - 4 - 5 - 12 - 15 - 3.20 39 Adrian Miedzinski - 2 - 0 - 2 - 7 - 1.14 Edited December 7, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 MYSTERIOUS heat leader list revealed in Speedway Star this week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 MYSTERIOUS heat leader list revealed in Speedway Star this week I bet they have it changed it by the time your first edition gets printed!!! 😃😃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 MYSTERIOUS heat leader list revealed in Speedway Star this week😲😲😤😤 Nearly fell off my chair then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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