2016 Swc Semi's And Final 29/30/july 2016

[tarkens]

Lambert proved on Saturday that he's not in the same league as Fricke, it's a pity that young Aussie got injured on Friday cause I'd really like to see him against against all top riders. Although he's been proving week in week out in the Polish league that he's capable of beating most of them.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Frickeophile, I just don't get the hype for Lambart, I know he's only 18 blah blah blah but have a look at some other riders and their results when they were 18. Lambert might be good for recent British standards (no disrespect, but we all know that your speedway is far from where it was 20-30 years ago), but at the moment he's just another speedway rider who will probably clinch his place in the Team GB for years, win a few British titles and end up being a Chris Harris/Andy Smith of international speedway, so essentially that English guy who somehow always ends up in the Grand Prix series although no one really wants him there.

 

Anyway, hi everyone, I'm glad I found this forum randomly a week ago, I quickly noticed there are plenty of knowledgeable lads here, so I'm hoping I'll have some good discussions with you

[sparkafag]

Slight contradiction in that given Lambert is probably a better rider than Frick was at 18 and currently sits 2^nd in the Under 21 standings which would be comparable to just about any Oz rider and better than Woffinden at the same age.

[tarkens]

Hopefully we'll have a chance to see Lambert in Poland next year so we can compare his results to Fricke's when he was 19 and rode in Nice League. And once again, I don't really care about neither Fricke nor Rybnik, I'm just pleasantly surprised with his form in Poland.

 

It's the worst U21 Championship in years, though

[sparkafag]

If it’s the worst Under 21 in years that means the GP will be a comparable standard in 5/6 years’ time, if Lambert continues on the same trajectory of his colleagues he would be one of the top riders in the world irrespective of the perceived standard of competition.

Edited August 1, 2016 by The Mockingjay

[tarkens]

If he continues on the same trajectory he might be in the GP in 6 years but it won't make him one of the top riders in the world, same as it doesn't make Harris one of the top riders in the world

[stevebrum]

Lambert is the real deal. His 3 points were scant reward for his efforts.

Rather lambert than Fricke any day.

Edited August 1, 2016 by stevebrum

[tellboy]

Correct decision IMO....Doyle was the cause of the stoppage. Why shouldnt Pawlicki go down if his left leg is taken away from him ?

The best part about it was the re-run and a great win for Cooky !!!

As for Lambert ? he reminds me so much of Chris Harris, even down to his slow starting and unfortunately that's something that cant be taught !

You can either react or you cant !

I predict a very succesful international career, but may be just short of a World Title !?

Well Lamberts gating has improved lots imo.2 years ago riders were nearly at the 1st bend before he dropped his clutch,so he must be learning something.

[OveFundinFan]

I appreciate gating is more then just reaction time, but reaction time is important.

I remember many years ago (actually 52 years ago) there was a slot machine that tested reactions. Drop a penny *that's an old penny) in a slot, it would be held there then drop. You had to press a button to stop it dropping all the way to the bottom. If the penny dropped all the way you lost it, if you stopped it you got a free go. Machine always won as there was no way the machine gave the penny back to you, just a free go. I suppose a penny in todays money might be 10p.

Point of it all was.... it was a reaction test, how fast was your reaction to stop the penny dropping.

That day 52 years ago I beat the machine a good few times. The machine was on a stopping point (some café) on the way from Manchester to London by coach. The purpose of the journey... I was a member of Belle Vue Gladiators going to Raines Park cycle speedway track for the National Junior Team Championship (which we lost by 2 points) followed by the National Junior Individual Championship.... which I won with 4 straight wins from the gate (reaction time) and a third in last heat when I only needed a third.

If Robert Lambert could get hold of such a machine and preen his reaction time I am sure that would help him gate better.

[WestBerksPalace]

My first visit to the National Stadium on Saturday.

 

Observations.

I stayed in Leigh on Saturday night, right next to Leigh Sports Village for the RL Challenge Cup SF, very good, excellent value for £25 and a superb programme for £5, I digress.

 

Then an 18 mile drive to Belle Vue, v easy, 30 minutes, and then parked in a side street about 8/10 minutes walk from the stadium.

Left Leigh at 17:35, and was in the stadium less than an hour later.

 

> About the stadium.

I sat in the temporary stand between the 3rd and 4th bends, near the top. Great view of the track, which looked in excellent condition, and raced very well.

 

However;

The screen on the other side of the track was impossible to see, and the PA was very poor. So, in most races I did not know who all four riders were!

Programme £10 !!!! Absolute rip off, and in light of my comments above, for that price, they could have printed 5,000 updated race cards for the final to hand out for free with the team line ups, race line-ups already printed out.

Apparently for the race off the night before, there was no PA at all at this end of the stadium!

 

Toilets, again a joke, a small number of portaloos, not enough to service those who wanted to use them during the track grading intervals, I gave up, and held it in until I got home. A few tried having a pee behind the temporary seats and were chased by yellow jacketed stewards like they were about to commit some mortal sin. It's wrong, but if you don't have suitable facilities!!

 

I'd hesitate to commit to watching a big event here again, certainly not in the temporary seats. I suspect the PA was much better along the side, and the screen more visible?

 

Interested on others experience? Easy getting out, and back to the hotel shortly after 10pm, v easy.

[New Science]

Can't see why people are running Robert Lambert down. He has made rapid progress in a short space of time. Saturday was a big occasion for a young kid. Lets give the guy some credit and give him time to develop his potential to the full without comparing him with others who have gone before

[jim3751]

I appreciate gating is more then just reaction time, but reaction time is important.

I remember many years ago (actually 52 years ago) there was a slot machine that tested reactions. Drop a penny *that's an old penny) in a slot, it would be held there then drop. You had to press a button to stop it dropping all the way to the bottom. If the penny dropped all the way you lost it, if you stopped it you got a free go. Machine always won as there was no way the machine gave the penny back to you, just a free go. I suppose a penny in todays money might be 10p.

Point of it all was.... it was a reaction test, how fast was your reaction to stop the penny dropping.

That day 52 years ago I beat the machine a good few times. The machine was on a stopping point (some café) on the way from Manchester to London by coach. The purpose of the journey... I was a member of Belle Vue Gladiators going to Raines Park cycle speedway track for the National Junior Team Championship (which we lost by 2 points) followed by the National Junior Individual Championship.... which I won with 4 straight wins from the gate (reaction time) and a third in last heat when I only needed a third.

If Robert Lambert could get hold of such a machine and preen his reaction time I am sure that would help him gate better.

Go to any fete and have a go at the Rat/Sock in a drainpipe.

[A ORLOV]

Go to any fete and have a go at the Rat/Sock in a drainpipe.

There are plenty on the internet he could try

 

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime

 

If starts are his problem you would have thought he would have tried something like this ages ago.

Edited August 1, 2016 by A ORLOV

[Terry]

And Lee is probably the greatest natural talent to grace the sport ever. To be short of Lee at the same age is hardly an issue.

You also can't compare the line up on Saturday to vojens lat year - none of the Russian or USA teams (bar Grin) were close to the caliber of rider on display last night.

 

That's true enough, maybe I was expecting too much from him. I was hoping he'd be Tai's main support with 7 or 8 points.

Cook and King scored what I expected from them.

[Hilly]

 

Not wanting to think too much about any negatives.....I thought a T/S in the nominated heats is a farce and if it's allowed, then I thought Roscoe should've replaced Lambert with either Cook/King ..... and as for the announcer/presenter? well, IMO, he was the biggest Joker of the night? sounded very amateur and monotonous throughout!

 

I didnt think much of the atmosphere, but may be that was down to the air horn ban that I've just read about? or may be lack of 'roof' to hold in the noise?

 

Well done Team GB, always nice to get one over on the competetive Aussies.....get well Max Fricke (nice guy).

T/S only allowed if your 6 points behind, which GB were not at that point.

[Scipio777]

You heard the announcer?? Obviously not on the 3rd bend then - PA in the temporary stand a joke, even after they added another (tiny) speaker on Saturday. Cant believe this was not tested properly.

I took binoculars on the 2nd day so I could see the "big Screen", as I couldn't hear what was going on.

Race programme very poor. Not easy to use the scorecard for the various permutations/substitutes etc.

 

Track really good though.

[Grachan]

Hopefully we'll have a chance to see Lambert in Poland next year so we can compare his results to Fricke's when he was 19 and rode in Nice League. And once again, I don't really care about neither Fricke nor Rybnik, I'm just pleasantly surprised with his form in Poland.

 

It's the worst U21 Championship in years, though

Lambert proved on Saturday that he's not in the same league as Fricke, it's a pity that young Aussie got injured on Friday cause I'd really like to see him against against all top riders. Although he's been proving week in week out in the Polish league that he's capable of beating most of them.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Frickeophile, I just don't get the hype for Lambart, I know he's only 18 blah blah blah but have a look at some other riders and their results when they were 18. Lambert might be good for recent British standards (no disrespect, but we all know that your speedway is far from where it was 20-30 years ago), but at the moment he's just another speedway rider who will probably clinch his place in the Team GB for years, win a few British titles and end up being a Chris Harris/Andy Smith of international speedway, so essentially that English guy who somehow always ends up in the Grand Prix series although no one really wants him there.

 

Anyway, hi everyone, I'm glad I found this forum randomly a week ago, I quickly noticed there are plenty of knowledgeable lads here, so I'm hoping I'll have some good discussions with you

Too much can be made of how good a rider is at a certain age.

 

Jason Doyle looked set to be little more than a journeyman double upper at 25.

[waiheke1]

Easy to forget what an exciting teenage talent Andy Smith was. Was only a meeting away from being a world finalist as a 18 year old. Won the Peter craven shield againSt a top class field as an 18 year old. Lambert far more controlled and better from the gate.

Which probably aligns with both previous posts, though personally feel lambert will surpass both Smith and Harris.

[tyler42]

If Lambert could get a place in next seasons Polish top league, I think this would bring him on no end. Racing with the top boys every week in week out would in my opinion be really good for him.

[Dodger Blue]

I appreciate gating is more then just reaction time, but reaction time is important.

I remember many years ago (actually 52 years ago) there was a slot machine that tested reactions. Drop a penny *that's an old penny) in a slot, it would be held there then drop. You had to press a button to stop it dropping all the way to the bottom. If the penny dropped all the way you lost it, if you stopped it you got a free go. Machine always won as there was no way the machine gave the penny back to you, just a free go. I suppose a penny in todays money might be 10p.

Point of it all was.... it was a reaction test, how fast was your reaction to stop the penny dropping.

That day 52 years ago I beat the machine a good few times. The machine was on a stopping point (some café) on the way from Manchester to London by coach. The purpose of the journey... I was a member of Belle Vue Gladiators going to Raines Park cycle speedway track for the National Junior Team Championship (which we lost by 2 points) followed by the National Junior Individual Championship.... which I won with 4 straight wins from the gate (reaction time) and a third in last heat when I only needed a third.

If Robert Lambert could get hold of such a machine and preen his reaction time I am sure that would help him gate better.

I seem to remember watching Jason Crump sitting in the pits while a mechanic dropped a spanner in front of him,Jason was catching it between his hands as it dropped.Dont see anyone doing that now,must have helped him!

[iris123]

I seem to remember watching Jason Crump sitting in the pits while a mechanic dropped a spanner in front of him,Jason was catching it between his hands as it dropped.Dont see anyone doing that now,must have helped him!

Think John Davis was doing that with Eddie Kennett,but didn't help him become a GP rider