Guest GiveusaB Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Like most I thought that Friday was an anti climax, but Saturday certainly made up for it! Some of the best speedway that I have ever seen in my 45 years of travelling. Not wanting to think too much about any negatives.....I thought a T/S in the nominated heats is a farce and if it's allowed, then I thought Roscoe should've replaced Lambert with either Cook/King ..... and as for the announcer/presenter? well, IMO, he was the biggest Joker of the night? sounded very amateur and monotonous throughout! I didnt think much of the atmosphere, but may be that was down to the air horn ban that I've just read about? or may be lack of 'roof' to hold in the noise? Well done Team GB, always nice to get one over on the competetive Aussies.....get well Max Fricke (nice guy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Pawlicki was hit from behind and the replay of the incident shows that Pawlicki had nowhere to put his left leg to stabilse himself. don`t think any rider would bail out intentionally when in such close quarters of other riders and at such high speed. Doyle was desperate and on a mission similar to ones he`s done before. On what I saw there didn`t seem to be much protestations from the Ozzies in the pits so theres a clue there. When Doyle hit Pawlicki it straightened him up briefly and at that speed he was never going to be able to recover and turn the bike properly. It was inevitable he was going to fall. Completely the correct decision to exclude Doyle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Personally think Pawlicki knew he was destined to go down and was trying to engineer a soft landing in limited space. If he had tried to stay on he would have brought down the rider in front of him with more serious consequences so I think he did a good job and the refs decision was correct.Thats how I saw it.Think he would have collected Jonsson if he had not got off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 and as for the announcer/presenter? well, IMO, he was the biggest Joker of the night? sounded very amateur and monotonous throughout! Count your blessings, we have to listen to his inane ramblings every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Woffinden looked near unbeatable on the night but it shows how quick Pawlicki can be.Great to see how he let the wheels run across the bend and head right out to the fence.This track does remind me of Hyde Rd in some ways, different in others but this track is a credit to the promotion and to the country. Edited August 1, 2016 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Don't think we can be disappointed with Lamberts return. I think we can and should be. The lad himself was and thats why he's going to be a winner. Not content with a "good" second over all, he wanted to do well himself. Should we get on his back though? No way. He showed glimpses and it was a hard meeting so he has to remain positive but it's never a bad thing to be disappointed someone hasn't done well, just means you rate them highly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 I think we can and should be. The lad himself was and thats why he's going to be a winner. Not content with a "good" second over all, he wanted to do well himself. Should we get on his back though? No way. He showed glimpses and it was a hard meeting so he has to remain positive but it's never a bad thing to be disappointed someone hasn't done well, just means you rate them highly. It is the likes of Robert and the other young GB riders that need any help that can be offered if British Speedway wants to do better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Having been there last night & having just watched the reply, I don't think anyone can deny the Poles who probably had the best 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th riders at the meeting. Woffinden was without doubt the stand out performer, with Doyle & Lindgren vying for second. For a journeyman rider the Swede's can be pretty happy with Ljungs performance IMO because Lindback & Jonsson faded badly. So do I think Doyle should have been excluded in what turned out to be a crucial heat 16? Very debatable, he hit Pawlicki going in and I do think Pawlicki bailed as soon as he realised that Jonsson was past in hope rather than expectation of getting a re-run. But Doyle then, showed stupid impatience proceeded to shove Cooke into the fence twice, to his credit Cooke did stay on his bike but to a massive disadvantage. Had Pawlicki been excluded how the following heats went team GB could have won or finished 4th! Had Cooke gone down, Doyle would have been excluded, had Doyle showed a modicum of patience having passed Pawlicki & Jonsson he'd have passed Cooke, he was certainly faster. It is a shame that Cooke & King took time to come to the party, should we be disappointed with Lambert, possibly but he 3 years younger than any other rider that competed last night and fingers crossed will benefit from the international experience. King & Cooke have had their moment at Cardiff, it's time the spot was automatically granted to Lambert. 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th? In my opinion Zmarzlik was far better on Saturday than both Lindgren and Doyle, so I'd put him 2nd just after Tai. As for Doyle's exclusion, I don't think it was a good decision. Pawlicki went down far too easily and seconds after he was hit by Doyle. I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the meeting for Poland, though. We finished first 7 points clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 He's been my family doctor for years. He did lose a lot of weight several years ago but put it all back on. He is a great doctor though unlike a lot of others at his surgery which is why there is usually 4 week wait to see him. well to be honest i am not slimmer of the year myself!! And i have no doubt he is a excellent doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Doyle was rightly excluded. The question is, would Pawlicki have stayed on the bike if not hit by Doyle? The answer is yes, he would have stayed on the bike. Therefore Doyle excluded for causing the stoppage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 The fact Doyle and the Aussies made no fuss and Doyle was even smiling straight afterwards in the pits speaks volumes. We have seen Jason many times in GPs where he feels he's been wrongly excluded and he is very expressive. I think even he felt it was the right decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 As for Doyle's exclusion, I don't think it was a good decision. Pawlicki went down far too easily and seconds after he was hit by Doyle. I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the meeting for Poland, though. We finished first 7 points clear. Doyle hit the Pole without question. But the Pole could have stayed on his bike if he really wanted to. Doyle at fault that the Pole hit the deck, rightly excluded, but the Pole went down late. He knew he was beaten and asked the ref make a decision. He also made sure he didn't get rolled over by AJ who was just upsides. Doyle also nearly put Cook in the fence in the same movement. Typically reckless move by Jason "Team GB are rubbish" Doyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Great night of racing, Cooke and King got off to a bit of a nervy start then came good, as for Lambert very inexperienced but I thought he showed a lot of potential for the future and this meeting would have boosted his confidence and experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Was it the right decision? Was Pawlicki wrong? I just know I was livid that Cook didn't throw the bike down on bend 2 in heat 9 when Masters gave him a shove. Sometimes you have to "play the game". Doyle isn't adverse to throwing the bike down if he's at the back and there the tiniest bit of contact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Correct decision IMO....Doyle was the cause of the stoppage. Why shouldnt Pawlicki go down if his left leg is taken away from him ? The best part about it was the re-run and a great win for Cooky !!! As for Lambert ? he reminds me so much of Chris Harris, even down to his slow starting and unfortunately that's something that cant be taught ! You can either react or you cant ! I predict a very succesful international career, but may be just short of a World Title !? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 As for Lambert ? he reminds me so much of Chris Harris, even down to his slow starting and unfortunately that's something that cant be taught ! You can either react or you cant ! He is 18. Give him a chance eh !. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Superb meeting, great stadium, from Soup to nuts the whole thing was fantastic. Hopefully all the Woffinden haters can now hold their hands up and say they were wrong. His performance Saturday night was out of this world. Also was great to him geeing up the boys all night, interacting with the crowd, couldnt fault the bloke at any point really. The Poles were the best team on the night, however I feel Rosco got the nominated heats all wrong. Cookie IMO should have gone out in Heat 17. He'd just won a race from an inside gate, confidence was high and we were just 2 points behind the Poles. Not saying we would have won the meeting but I feel that would have given us a better chance. Anyway 2nd still a great result and I very much hope Doyle (who should have been excluded, hit PP and then nearly put Cookie in the grandstand) is eating a big slice of humble Pie. Edited August 1, 2016 by RPNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Really like Doyle, however he still is a little impetuous.. Part of why I like to watch him is his aggression, but he will need a cooler head when the pressure is on (as it certainly will be as he continues his rise to the highest sector of the sport). He is of a level now that he doesn't need to do 'first lap S or B lunges'. More than capable of beating anyone over four laps from the back. Especially on BV's track.. Pawlicki went down because he was contacted from Doyle. Could he have stayed on? Probably. But what would have been the point as his focus was to avoid the rider outside him and in doing so would have left him locking up and a distant fourth coming out of the turn... Right decision from the Pole to go down (safely) in 'instalments' and right decision from the ref to exclude the Aussie.. Nil points, played the joker, so double nil!!😁 Edited August 1, 2016 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 He is 18. Give him a chance eh !. Michael Lee was winning British Championships and qualifying for World Finals at 18. To be honest I thought Lambert did better in last years SWC particularly at Vojens, although he did beat Pawlicki, who beat Woffy twice. So I guess he did ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Michael Lee was winning British Championships and qualifying for World Finals at 18. To be honest I thought Lambert did better in last years SWC particularly at Vojens, although he did beat Pawlicki, who beat Woffy twice. So I guess he did ok. And Lee is probably the greatest natural talent to grace the sport ever. To be short of Lee at the same age is hardly an issue. You also can't compare the line up on Saturday to vojens lat year - none of the Russian or USA teams (bar Grin) were close to the caliber of rider on display last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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