Terry Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 let me change this record.....the needles stuck! You should buy a cd player, they're marvellous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 You should buy a cd player, they're marvellous. did you claim to be a socialist in a previous post terry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 did you claim to be a socialist in a previous post terry? No, that's the voice of reason. We're both ex Hackney fans but he went over to the dark side. (Arena Essex!) I like the queen, got no time for the rest of 'em though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 how interesting...I refuse to mention the idiots name, but the sole fool, who has consistently banged on and on and on, about Tai not singing the anthem, and not patriotic, is seen quite clearly talking up Corbyn on another thread.. So I suggest, he is also a ANTI MONARCHIST?....with no respect of our anthem, as Corbyn would quite clearly like it axed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) how interesting...I refuse to mention the idiots name, but the sole fool, who has consistently banged on and on and on, about Tai not singing the anthem, and not patriotic, is seen quite clearly talking up Corbyn on another thread.. So I suggest, he is also a ANTI MONARCHIST?....with no respect of our anthem, as Corbyn would quite clearly like it axed! Ahh, a typical Sun/Daily Mail response. This idiotic stance that if you are anti-monarchist, you cannot be proud of your Country. Indeed, how poignant that whilst typing this thread I've just stopped, and stood, to respect the minute silence. I utterly respect those who have died defending this Country in two World Wars. Similarly, I pay my respect to those poor souls sent to their deaths in more recent illegal wars; purely in the name of greed and profit; coupled with the currency of oil remaining in the US $. I adore the many things that this great Country has achieved; in particular our NHS; and the Welfare State (designed by the Liberal politician Beveridge) for those truly in need. How sickening that these great innovations, introduced shortly after WW2 by a true Socialist Labour Government; and during a period of extreme financial pressure, are being eroded by politicians who aren't fit to clean Nye Bevan's boots. And readers of most media, or people brainwashed by T.V. are basically so braindead that they believe the lies and character assassination of Jeremy Corbyn. But then these are the people who probably still shop via Amazon, watch the X Factor, or believe the events of 9/11. So yes, I am proud to be British. But that doesn't mean that I have to wave a Union Jack and be proud of our unelected (and for many years, tax-dodging) monarchy. And if Tai feels the same, then bloody good luck to him. I actually remember his Dad making negative comments about Thatcher in the mid-80's; within a rider profile section in the Speedway Star. I can only assume that Tai had his political eyes opened by Rob from an early age. We have enough brainwashed automatons in society already. One can only hope that Tai's generation, and those who come after, will see the pitfalls and pure evil of Capitalism, and banish it to the history books for eternity. That's if this planet has a future of course because, at this moment in time, it's looking (extremely worryingly) less and less likely. Edited November 11, 2015 by The Voice Of Reason 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Ahh, a typical Sun/Daily Mail response. This idiotic stance that if you are anti-monarchist, you cannot be proud of your Country. Indeed, how poignant that whilst typing this thread I've just stopped, and stood, to respect the 2 minute silence. I utterly respect those who have died defending this Country in two World Wars. Similarly, I pay my respect to those poor souls sent to their deaths in more recent illegal wars; purely in the name of greed and profit; coupled with the currency of oil remaining in the US $. I adore the many things that this great Country has achieved; in particular our NHS; and the Welfare State (designed by the Liberal politician Beveridge) for those truly in need. How sickening that these great innovations, introduced shortly after WW2 by a true Socialist Labour Government; and during a period of extreme financial pressure, are being eroded by politicians who aren't fit to clean Nye Bevan's boots. And readers of most media, or people brainwashed by T.V. are basically so braindead that they believe the lies and character assassination of Jeremy Corbyn. But then these are the people who probably still shop via Amazon, watch the X Factor, or believe the events of 9/11. So yes, I am proud to be British. But that doesn't mean that I have to wave a Union Jack and be proud of our unelected (and for many years, tax-dodging) monarchy. And if Tai feels the same, then bloody good luck to him. I actually remember his Dad making negative comments about Thatcher in the mid-80's; within a rider profile section in the Speedway Star. I can only assume that Tai had his political eyes opened by Rob from an early age. We have enough brainwashed automatons in society already. One can only hope that Tai's generation, and those who come after, will see the pitfalls of Capitalism, and banish it to the history books. That's if this planet has a future of course because, at this moment in time, it's looking less and less likely. The planet would do just fine without human beings, as will most other species that we are wiping out at an alarming rate. Agree 100% with your excellent post... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) I adore the many things that this great Country has achieved; in particular our NHS; and the Welfare State (designed by the Liberal politician Beveridge) for those truly in need. How sickening that these great innovations, introduced shortly after WW2 by a true Socialist Labour Government; and during a period of extreme financial pressure, are being eroded by politicians who aren't fit to clean Nye Bevan's boots. And readers of most media, or people brainwashed by T.V. are basically so braindead that they believe the lies and character assassination of Jeremy Corbyn. But then these are the people who probably still shop via Amazon, watch the X Factor, or believe the events of 9/11. So yes, I am proud to be British. But that doesn't mean that I have to wave a Union Jack and be proud of our unelected (and for many years, tax-dodging) monarchy. And if Tai feels the same, then bloody good luck to him. I actually remember his Dad making negative comments about Thatcher in the mid-80's; within a rider profile section in the Speedway Star. I can only assume that Tai had his political eyes opened by Rob from an early age. We have enough brainwashed automatons in society already. One can only hope that Tai's generation, and those who come after, will see the pitfalls and pure evil of Capitalism, and banish it to the history books for eternity. That's if this planet has a future of course because, at this moment in time, it's looking (extremely worryingly) less and less likely. Well I'm of the post-socialist generation that hasn't been brainwashed by the claimed achievements of the socialist state, many of which (in the UK at least) existed or were in the making for many years before WW2. I've also seen enough of the effects of communism around the world to understand that it's not the answer either, even though I'd accept that in some places it did raise living standards to basic modern levels. However, even the poorest person in the UK today is probably still materially better off than the average person was in the Soviet Union, which is of course why socialism became discredited and economies moved away from it. Of course, people alway forget the lessons of the past and just as butchers like Che Guevara were hailed as heroes in certain quarters, now it's fashionable again to believe in hardcore socialism. The fact that people do want material improvements in their lives rather than just a subsistence existence is explained away as some sort of global brainwashing conspiracy by the 'Illuminati' - they who of course engineered 9/11 etc.. etc.. I'm not sure exactly what this has to do with Tai Woffinden, although fair play to him if he does have a level of political conscientious above that of the average sportsperson who are usually not a bright bunch and selfish with it. Having said that, quite aside from the fact that the monarchy has had no effective political power for 300 years and is simply a figurehead of the nation, what's in the national anthem of any liberal democracy is pretty irrelevant really. Just show them all of them respect for all of a minute and then you avoid nine pages of vitriol and fantasy on the BSF... Edited November 11, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Well I'm of the post-socialist generation that hasn't been brainwashed by the claimed achievements of the socialist state, many of which (in the UK at least) existed or were in the making for many years before WW2. I've also seen enough of the effects of communism around the world to understand that it's not the answer either, even though I'd accept that in some places it did raise living standards to basic modern levels. However, even the poorest person in the UK today is probably still materially better off than the average person was in the Soviet Union, which is of course why socialism became discredited and economies moved away from it. Of course, people alway forget the lessons of the past and just as butchers like Che Guevara were hailed as heroes in certain quarters, now it's fashionable again to believe in hardcore socialism. The fact that people do want material improvements in their lives rather than just a subsistence existence is explained away as some sort of global brainwashing conspiracy by the 'Illuminati' - they who of course engineered 9/11 etc.. etc.. I'm not sure exactly what this has to do with Tai Woffinden, although fair play to him if he does have a level of political conscientious above that of the average sportsperson who are usually not a bright bunch and selfish with it. Having said that, quite aside from the fact that the monarchy has had no effective political power for 300 years and is simply a figurehead of the nation, what's in the national anthem of any liberal democracy is pretty irrelevant really. Just show them all of them respect for all of a minute and then you avoid nine pages of vitriol and fantasy on the BSF... Well Tai certainly has a social conscience as is evidenced by his Bike Rides for Charity. So before slagging him off - people would do well to remember that. By the way the Charity, The Great Ormand Street Hospital is British. I just thought I would point that out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Have to say that the whole thread is CR*P. simple solution for you . dont read it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Humphrey Appleby - you do not appear to be able to distinguish between Socialism and Communism. Your namesake would be truly appalled. As for 9/11. Maybe you'd care to enlighten me who WAS responsible? Oh, I know......the (non-existent) 'Al Qaeda' perhaps? PMSL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Humphrey Appleby - you do not appear to be able to distinguish between Socialism and Communism. No doubt some will argue there's a semantic difference, but hard core left wing politics just keep everyone poor except the privileged elite - no different to what anti-capitalists complain about. Most developed economies of course have some socialist elements as well, but you'd be hard pressed to point to an affluent purely socialist economy. As for 9/11. Maybe you'd care to enlighten me who WAS responsible? 9/11 conspiracy theories have been done to death on the BSF in the past - there's no point going over it again. I also doubt al-Qaeda ever had a corporate structure or membership cards, any more than there's formally a constitutional position of Prime Minister in the UK. They both exist though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 An anagram of Tai Woffinden is Defiant If Won. Mmmmm...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiC Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) However, even the poorest person in the UK today is probably still materially better off than the average person was in the Soviet Union, which is of course why socialism became discredited and economies moved away from it Excuse me...........? Edited due to incorrect quote And to add to that, I generally enjoy your posts HA, but please, you're a Brit living in QLD, please tell me your experiences of the 'poorest person'. For someone who is obviously educated, you are massively guilty of a Daily Mail / Daily Express generalisation there..... Edited November 12, 2015 by JimiC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjsj9803 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 What country does Tai have tattooed on him? Here is a clue it isn't England/GB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 but you'd be hard pressed to point to an affluent purely socialist economy. 9/11 conspiracy theories have been done to death on the BSF in the past - there's no point going over it again. I also doubt al-Qaeda ever had a corporate structure or membership cards, any more than there's formally a constitutional position of Prime Minister in the UK. They both exist though. Actually I wouldn't. It's called Chile. Now thriving under Socialism, after its years of self-destruction under Pinochet. The only conspiracies around 9/11 emanate from Washington. A government that, 14 years after the event, preside over more unanswered questions than ones explained. As for 'Al Qaeda' existing. You clearly know more than ex-CIA whistleblowers, such as Susan Landauer or Michael Scheuer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 And to add to that, I generally enjoy your posts HA, but please, you're a Brit living in QLD, please tell me your experiences of the 'poorest person'. I've only been in Queensland a year and return to the UK regularly - things have not changed that much in that time. Go and speak to people about the practicalities of their daily lives under communism, such the unavailability of basic commodities that we take for granted in our society, and how much of their income went on them. I grew up in a working class area and my grandparents would today be classified as being on the poverty line, but I'd still argue they lived in no worse conditions than the average citizen in a communist country (possibly with the exception of Yugoslavia). As for 'Al Qaeda' existing. You clearly know more than ex-CIA whistleblowers, such as Susan Landauer or Michael Scheuer. They're individuals with axes to grind for whatever reason, and of course, television appearances to make and books to sell. They undoubtedly have their reasons for their grievances, but it's the merely perspective of a handful of individuals who worked in large bureaucracies and that does not make them right. I could turn my experiences with my ex-employers into elaborate conspiracies, and I've also sat in meetings with people who've come out with completely different opinions of what was agreed compared to what I heard with my own ears. Some people simply become blind to anything that doesn't conform with their agenda, and that I'm afraid is what conspiracy theorists do. Susan Laudauer actually seems to be totally unhinged, but of course the conspiracists will tell you that's because the government has discredited her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 What country does Tai have tattooed on him? Here is a clue it isn't England/GB He could have an ordnance survey map of Great Britain and it's surrounding areas inked on him somewhere, for all we know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjsj9803 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 we all know he is Aussie, yet so desperate to claim him as British for his world titles, superficial bullpoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 we all know he is Aussie, yet so desperate to claim him as British for his world titles, superficial bullpoo Well Great Britain is the Team who he is riding for and the Country that he rides for in the GPs. He's British in fact - that is all that matters. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 The whole htread seems to have gone astray a little , last tie I looked we were debating Tai's disrespectful behaviour , now we are onto the nationality question again , I think it's pretty obvious and beyond debate , Tai is British by virtue of a technicality and convenience , but in spirit and in his own mind ,He's Australian , a couple of thing borne out by his behaviour at the Aussie GP 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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