Tsunami Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 On the original plans it did but the latest plans seem to show it a bit further south and now not overlapping the present one. It is all this chopping and changing of the plans etc that makes one a little concerned as to, do those designing the stadium know what they are doing. Was the move of the track not to allow the old track to still be used, whilst building the new one. i think others on here couldn't understand how racing could continue if both tracks were using the same land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Was the move of the track not to allow the old track to still be used, whilst building the new one. i think others on here couldn't understand how racing could continue if both tracks were using the same land. No, the position of the new stadium on the new plan has moved away from the present track so both are available, where as the original position of the planned new one did overlap the fans standing area at bend 1 which would have made using the old stadium not impossible but awkward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Having never visisted the much bally-hooed Blundson back straight toilets, which I would still describe as 'of recent vintage', one can only imagine what they were like. Being more familiar with the back straight loo facility at the Boulevard, which built almost a full century earlier in 1865 as opposed to the much more modern 1949-ish Blundson. I would describe the Boulevard loos as 'un-lit and open to elements cess-trenches'. Sarcasm (who me?) aside, one visit was more than enough much bettter to 'go' before leaving home....believe it or not. I was unlucky enough to experience the boulevard bogs twice, in 1980 and 81, and survived to tell the tale! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 They wont do that. They are thinking of all that Council tax over a period of time... I don't know all the figures involved but don't forget that if the current stadium is demolished and the proposed new one not built, the Council may gain Council Tax but would lose out on Business rates - the overall benefit depends on numbers and timing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) They wont do that. They are thinking of all that Council tax over a period of time... I don't know all the figures involved but don't forget that if the current stadium is demolished and the proposed new one not built, the Council may gain Council Tax but would lose out on Business rates - the overall benefit depends on numbers and timing The Stadium is £67,000, the market £100,000 and the training school £2,850 Much less than what 200 houses would pay in council tax. https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/view-my-valuation/list-valuations-by-postcode?postcode=SN25+4DN&startPage=1#search-results Edited November 6, 2016 by MattK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Interesting. Thanks Matt. Is that an extra 200 properties if the stadium isn't built or just the number that are included in the current plans? Sorry, I'm not up to speed with the numbers, but as a Wimbledon supporter sympathise with Swindon fans re the uncertainty. The figures from the VOA website that you have quoted are the rateable values rather than the amount payable (which is roughly half of that). At present Swindon Council only get a % of the business rates,but that % is likely to increase in the next few years. All a bit fluid for Councils at the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Interesting. Thanks Matt. Is that an extra 200 properties if the stadium isn't built or just the number that are included in the current plans? Sorry, I'm not up to speed with the numbers, but as a Wimbledon supporter sympathise with Swindon fans re the uncertainty. The figures from the VOA website that you have quoted are the rateable values rather than the amount payable (which is roughly half of that). At present Swindon Council only get a % of the business rates,but that % is likely to increase in the next few years. All a bit fluid for Councils at the moment! If you look at the current plans for 420 houses, then the space allocated for the stadium is roughly half the size, so 200 would be my estimate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 If you look at the current plans for 420 houses, then the space allocated for the stadium is roughly half the size, so 200 would be my estimate. Thanks Matt,on that basis you are probably right that the Council Tax income will be greater than the business rates income - even allowing for all the info that's unknown (rateable value of the new stadium if built, Council grant income from central govt etc). Let's hope the Council really wants speedway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 I hope your builders are better than those that are building the NSS as its still not finished. We had to put temporary stands and porta loos in to help the situation. It caused havoc at the SWC and people had to pee up against fences. It's like getting a council house then being told the bathroom is in a marquee in the back garden. A mate of mine refused to pay his rent as his kitchen wasn't finished or usable. He was told legally that paying the rent would signify his acceptance of the condition of the property which could have seen remedial work postponed. Things to bear in mind with your build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) I hope your builders are better than those that are building the NSS as its still not finished. We had to put temporary stands and porta loos in to help the situation. It caused havoc at the SWC and people had to pee up against fences. I didnt think the area where the temporary WTC stands were erected was going to be any sort of permanent stands - not in the initial build project anyway. Temporary stands makes sense to me in the BV situation. If proper stands had been built from day one, that would be extra fee on the rent and normal EL match wouldnt warrant that stand space anyway, so just a cost that was not needed. The debt would have been higher if permanent stands had been erected. I thought temporary stands for BIG events like the WTC worked well. OK, maybe not as many portaloos as there should have been but that is easy to overcome - simply hire more. Edited November 7, 2016 by OveFundinFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 It also brought the capacity down from 6000 to 5000. Bloody builders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 It also brought the capacity down from 6000 to 5000. Bloody builders. Could that be seen as a positive decision. Given people think that the owners have history, and looking for an opportunity to dump the stadium and get more houses on the site instead, why would they bother altering anything that they were hoping to scrap.Lets hope it is, but even 5000 is more than enough really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 so is it going to be ready for March/April 2017?...pmsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 so is it going to be ready for March/April 2017?...pmsl. It's already been announced that Swindon will start the year in the old Abbey Stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I hope your builders are better than those that are building the NSS as its still not finished. We had to put temporary stands and porta loos in to help the situation. It caused havoc at the SWC and people had to pee up against fences. It's like getting a council house then being told the bathroom is in a marquee in the back garden. A mate of mine refused to pay his rent as his kitchen wasn't finished or usable. He was told legally that paying the rent would signify his acceptance of the condition of the property which could have seen remedial work postponed. Things to bear in mind with your build. Legally thats not how it works at all. I don't know why/how but if you rent a house and it starts failing down/failing/isn't fit for habitation you still have to pay the rent and then sue the landlord for your costs. If you withhold rent for ANY reason on a property then the landlord can sue you and the courts will find in his favour, even if you counter sue. Now how it works with commercial property I don't know, it's very different from residential property so probably not the best example to use! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Article in the local rag today about the new stadium build http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14881491.Work_to_start_on_new___5m_Swindon_Stadium/ Good news, but with previous news etc I wait for work on the ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Article in the local rag today about the new stadium build http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14881491.Work_to_start_on_new___5m_Swindon_Stadium/ Good news, but with previous news etc I wait for work on the ground. Fingers crossed it will all start today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Fingers crossed it will all start today. I think in all probability that today will be a press photo shoot & building work should start on Monday. Everything crossed here! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) Looks positive, just been tweeted, diggers have moved in ahead of work starting Edited November 11, 2016 by A ORLOV 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Groundworkers in suits and ties? Whatever next. Even Comrade Corbyn doesn't dress like that for work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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