uk_martin Posted October 14, 2021 Report Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 10:19 PM, orion said: Unlikely to be 17 clubs the way things are going .....you got the wrong end the stick about the riders .. we were talking about riders who only rely on riding for one club full stop in the uk at the moment (not counting the nl)not riders who have one club in the uk but ride in Poland etc Hold on, hold on, hold on....are you suggesting that the BSPZzz imposes a ban on riders contracted to British clubs riding for any other team, anywhere in Europe? Are you serious? Well that'll be even less then. Given the choice of British & Polish pay scales, those with a Polish team place will opt to ride there. So if you take away the likes of Dan Bewley, Jack Holder, Brady Kurtz, Luke Becker, Sam Masters, Erik Riss, look at how much you'll be devaluing the British League product. And that's just those who ride in the Polish leagues. If you do that to the riders with Polish contracts, then you have to do the same for the Danes, Germans and Swedes too, because that's, um, discrimination, and that's illegal. But is that what you want to do? Seriously? So how many riders will you have in your one big league, given that anyone riding for a foreign team will be excluded from your plans? The names are available on the team averages pages of the SGB web site, just cross off those who ride abroad, and let us know how many that leaves. Divide that by 7 and let us know how many teams there are enough riders for. I'm intrigued to know the figures you come up with. You might end up with one league, but it won't be "big". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 14, 2021 Report Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, uk_martin said: Hold on, hold on, hold on....are you suggesting that the BSPZzz imposes a ban on riders contracted to British clubs riding for any other team, anywhere in Europe? Are you serious? Well that'll be even less then. Given the choice of British & Polish pay scales, those with a Polish team place will opt to ride there. So if you take away the likes of Dan Bewley, Jack Holder, Brady Kurtz, Luke Becker, Sam Masters, Erik Riss, look at how much you'll be devaluing the British League product. And that's just those who ride in the Polish leagues. If you do that to the riders with Polish contracts, then you have to do the same for the Danes, Germans and Swedes too, because that's, um, discrimination, and that's illegal. But is that what you want to do? Seriously? So how many riders will you have in your one big league, given that anyone riding for a foreign team will be excluded from your plans? The names are available on the team averages pages of the SGB web site, just cross off those who ride abroad, and let us know how many that leaves. Divide that by 7 and let us know how many teams there are enough riders for. I'm intrigued to know the figures you come up with. You might end up with one league, but it won't be "big". First of all why would a contract be illegal no one is asking for anyone to be banned . what discrimination are you on about no one is stopping the likes of Becker etc signing for a British Club the choice would be up to him . Football players sign for one club are there contracts are not classed as illegal and no one go's on about discrimination . In Poland they already have rules that limit where riders can ride in the World As for Numbers as we already spoken about that ... Speedway would be better all round and more credible sport if it was one rider one club . Edited October 15, 2021 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/14/2021 at 11:54 PM, orion said: Football players sign for one club are there contracts are not classed as illegal and no one go's on about discrimination Football players are employees of their clubs who play and train for their employer 7 days a week and get paid on a weekly basis whether they play or not. Speedway riders are self-employed contractors with the ability to ply their trade to whoever hires them in whichever country, and only get paid if they ride for a team. That's a huge difference. Expecting a contractor to ride for one team in the Britain ONLY, where they might only get out on track once a fortnight, depending on the fixture list, would be unreasonable, and if it was part of his contract, would probably fall foul of restraint of trade laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, uk_martin said: Football players are employees of their clubs who play and train for their employer 7 days a week and get paid on a weekly basis whether they play or not. Speedway riders are self-employed contractors with the ability to ply their trade to whoever hires them in whichever country, and only get paid if they ride for a team. That's a huge difference. Expecting a contractor to ride for one team in the Britain ONLY, where they might only get out on track once a fortnight, depending on the fixture list, would be unreasonable, and if it was part of his contract, would probably fall foul of restraint of trade laws. How can the above be true as i have already pointed out riders have signed contracts in Poland that won't allowed ride in more than two countries ... so what happen to these restraint laws there then ? .after all according to you there self employed contractors with the ability to ply there trade where and for who they want . Boxers sign with promoters but dont get paid weekly but per fight as a rule but they are still under contract they just can't go and fight for someone else If a Speedway team draws up a contract where a rider can only ride for them no one can stop them . it will be then up to the rider if he wishes to sign that contract . no diffrent to giving a self employed person a full time job for half a year . Edited October 17, 2021 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) On 10/14/2021 at 11:10 PM, uk_martin said: Hold on, hold on, hold on....are you suggesting that the BSPZzz imposes a ban on riders contracted to British clubs riding for any other team, anywhere in Europe? Are you serious? Well that'll be even less then. Given the choice of British & Polish pay scales, those with a Polish team place will opt to ride there. So if you take away the likes of Dan Bewley, Jack Holder, Brady Kurtz, Luke Becker, Sam Masters, Erik Riss, look at how much you'll be devaluing the British League product. And that's just those who ride in the Polish leagues. If you do that to the riders with Polish contracts, then you have to do the same for the Danes, Germans and Swedes too, because that's, um, discrimination, and that's illegal. But is that what you want to do? Seriously? So how many riders will you have in your one big league, given that anyone riding for a foreign team will be excluded from your plans? The names are available on the team averages pages of the SGB web site, just cross off those who ride abroad, and let us know how many that leaves. Divide that by 7 and let us know how many teams there are enough riders for. I'm intrigued to know the figures you come up with. You might end up with one league, but it won't be "big". ...and in the latest news if the BSPA don't do it, someone else will latest 2023. Maybe not ban cos it sounds bad, but a contract clause that does the same. Edited October 18, 2021 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Sad to see the famous Blunsdon Back Straight Bogs have been demolished in the stadium rebuild. Should have been a listed building 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Sad news.... many a beer from the Red Lion, Cricklade was recycled in this most famous of toilets in Speedway. Was it really a pig trough as the urinal??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Lefty said: Sad news.... many a beer from the Red Lion, Cricklade was recycled in this most famous of toilets in Speedway. Was it really a pig trough as the urinal??? They only recently updated it, adding lights, bog rolls, doorlocks, hand wash facilities The stadium rebuild is progressing, walls demolished, grass banks levelled. Edited December 7, 2021 by auntie doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 On 12/7/2021 at 11:06 AM, auntie doris said: They only recently updated it, adding lights, bog rolls, doorlocks, hand wash facilities The stadium rebuild is progressing, walls demolished, grass banks levelled. I think you mean the stadium demolition is progressing well!!. I guess the site needs to be flattened before they can think about putting houses on it!! I wonder what the excuse will be not to build once the old girl has been demolished meaning there is no way speedway could even run on the old site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, thecoombdog said: I think you mean the stadium demolition is progressing well!!. I guess the site needs to be flattened before they can think about putting houses on it!! I wonder what the excuse will be not to build once the old girl has been demolished meaning there is no way speedway could even run on the old site. Surely the units stacked up in the car park are not housing units but office and grandstand units? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, thecoombdog said: I think you mean the stadium demolition is progressing well!!. I guess the site needs to be flattened before they can think about putting houses on it!! I wonder what the excuse will be not to build once the old girl has been demolished meaning there is no way speedway could even run on the old site. Spot on ... all to be a fly on the wall as Clark and co plot there next step to close the speedway down for good . Not sure funny is the right word but can't wait to see what the next move is to stop us racing next season Edited December 8, 2021 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Skidder1 said: Surely the units stacked up in the car park are not housing units but office and grandstand units? Yeah its all for show no doubt. Move a few containers down to make it look like they are trying to get it done before some issue arises which will prevent the build. Of course, I would love to be proven wrong but it will never happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 4 hours ago, orion said: Spot on ... all to be a fly on the wall as Clark and co plot there next step to close the speedway down for good . Not sure funny is the right word but can't wait to see what the next move is to stop us racing next season Surely at some point, it would actually be easier to build a basic stadium and then either let it go bust naturally, or be forced out of business by the noise complaints from the neighbours. How much is the current charade costing...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Surely the units stacked up in the car park are not housing units but office and grandstand units? They don’t look like units which a grandstand can be built from. More like portable office units being stored. Portable being the operative word so they can get “ported” off somewhere when required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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