Trees Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Will ask the new Chairman at our supporters meeting why PL averages were used ...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Surely the reason why PL averages were used was because they were the most real for everyone involved. All the EL averages were either inflated or deflated due to the EL protected race format. Â You're just coming out with the usual b/s without knowing the facts; Pot - Kettle !!!!!!! Â As with other clubs, we don't have no problem with Poole protecting Newman, its the false selection process that follows when going for the Tier 2 rider. I think you'll find Poole had the second choice instead of the 8th...... By the time Lynn choose, Ellis was long gone.... If Newman was either top or 2nd in the Tier 1 list (excluding Garrity) then why would Poole have had 2nd pick in the Tier 2 selection? As I said By the time Poole's choice came around they chose the best 3.00 still available, whose other fixtures only had minimal clashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Surely the reason why PL averages were used was because they were the most real for everyone involved. All the EL averages were either inflated or deflated due to the EL protected race format. Â If Newman was either top or 2nd in the Tier 1 list (excluding Garrity) then why would Poole have had 2nd pick in the Tier 2 selection? As I said By the time Poole's choice came around they chose the best 3.00 still available, whose other fixtures only had minimal clashes. How were the pl averages the "most real"? Surely they are inflated, otherwise the 0.6 multiplier wouldn't be needed. Why couldn't a multiplier instead have been used for el averages, which are surely the best indication. One team has benefitted, and only that team's supporters are defending the rule. And they gain twice - extra point available for team building and a better tier two pick. It's a ludicrous decision. And your proof that the sport is corrupt is where?????????? Â RP I thought people didn't need to provide proof? Seem to recall you throwing a tantrum when asked to back up your statement that Newman would have been in the poole 1-5 last year even if not in the draft. Or proof that Nicki was coerced into wearing Darcy kevlars. Anything yet to support your claim about vatcher being responsible for the draft? Edited November 9, 2015 by waihekeaces1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Surely the reason why PL averages were used was because they were the most real for everyone involved. All the EL averages were either inflated or deflated due to the EL protected race format. But the point is that every drafts riders EL average was equally inflated so they all lost in equal measures. Â I do accept there is then the issue of how you determine how they move into the 1-5. Maybe just taking 75% of their EL averages would have been fairer? The onyl rider who loss out doing it that way is Newman who has a large discrepancy between his EL and PL average. Surely you can see it mad that that only just over half a point between Newman and Bates in the EL, Newman is far superior to Bates at EL and Bates PL average is inflated due to riding 90% of a season in reserve while Newmans is deflated due to having to ride so many heat 15s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I think skidder1 is deliberately missing the point tbh scb. I think there's only one or two poole fans who genuinely dont understand and one if them is still waiting for news of jerran hart's release..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Not missing the point at all. I agree with SCB's post. Â PL averages should not have been used - BUT THEY WERE - and we have to get on with it. My point was whether PL or a %EL figure was used, I do not see how that gives Poole any greater advantage in their Tier 2 choice, having selected Ellis on 3 points?! Â Yes a better way imo would have been to use a % of their EL averages for the Tier 1 riders - but then you would have various posters complaining that the % should have been different!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I think skidder1 is deliberately missing the point tbh scb. I think there's only one or two poole fans who genuinely dont understand and one if them is still waiting for news of jerran hart's release..... Some of us don't read Twitter, but you carry on with your childish remarks that clearly suit your shoe size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Not missing the point at all. I agree with SCB's post. Â PL averages should not have been used - BUT THEY WERE - and we have to get on with it. My point was whether PL or a %EL figure was used, I do not see how that gives Poole any greater advantage in their Tier 2 choice, having selected Ellis on 3 points?! Â Yes a better way imo would have been to use a % of their EL averages for the Tier 1 riders - but then you would have various posters complaining that the % should have been different!! But it's been pointed out multiple times on here already? If converted EL averages were used, then Newman would be the top ranked tier one rider, meaning Poole would have last pick of tier 2 riders. If PL averages are used, Poole would get 2nd or 3rd pick of the tier 2 riders. I think it's fairly obvious that Ellis wouldn't be the last picked draft rider, therefore the second scenario is what has happenned. Re %s, I think so long as a vaguely reasonable % was used (anywhere between 45-65% could probably have been justified), then there may have been some debate, but i think most would have been quite happy. Â Some of us don't read Twitter, but you carry on with your childish remarks that clearly suit your shoe size. What does twitter have to do with anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 But it's been pointed out multiple times on here already? If converted EL averages were used, then Newman would be the top ranked tier one rider, meaning Poole would have last pick of tier 2 riders. If PL averages are used, Poole would get 2nd or 3rd pick of the tier 2 riders. I think it's fairly obvious that Ellis wouldn't be the last picked draft rider, therefore the second scenario is what has happenned. Re %s, I think so long as a vaguely reasonable % was used (anywhere between 45-65% could probably have been justified), then there may have been some debate, but i think most would have been quite happy. Â What does twitter have to do with anything? I don't read, nor look for anything that doesn't interest me. Now as i said, act your age not your shoe size, if thats at all posible.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't read, nor look for anything that doesn't interest me. Now as i said, act your age not your shoe size, if thats at all posible.. If you acted your shoe size you'd probably be a bit more mature. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) If you acted your shoe size you'd probably be a bit more mature. Nothing wrong with me mate. Its the many children on here that is the problem. Including the thats put the like up, all acting their shoe size not their age.. Edited November 9, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 But it's been pointed out multiple times on here already? If converted EL averages were used, then Newman would be the top ranked tier one rider, meaning Poole would have last pick of tier 2 riders. If PL averages are used, Poole would get 2nd or 3rd pick of the tier 2 riders. I think it's fairly obvious that Ellis wouldn't be the last picked draft rider, therefore the second scenario is what has happenned. Re %s, I think so long as a vaguely reasonable % was used (anywhere between 45-65% could probably have been justified), then there may have been some debate, but i think most would have been quite happy. Â What does twitter have to do with anything? I think you are confusing what the PL averages were used for?! Â They are used for team building points within the 40.5. They were not used to rank the order of the Tier 1 list. The last/latest EDR list (as usual maintained by Neil Vatcher) has Newman as 2nd behind Garrity. With Garrity not in the draft and Newman protected by Poole, Poole would have had the last or 2nd to last pick of the tier 2 reserves, having firstly checked rider/fixture availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Has that been confirmed? Was ellis really the ,2nd to last pick of the tier 2 riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I think you are confusing what the PL averages were used for?! Â They are used for team building points within the 40.5. They were not used to rank the order of the Tier 1 list. The last/latest EDR list (as usual maintained by Neil Vatcher) has Newman as 2nd behind Garrity. With Garrity not in the draft and Newman protected by Poole, Poole would have had the last or 2nd to last pick of the tier 2 reserves, having firstly checked rider/fixture availability. So - answer this for me - how did Poole pick before Swindon?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 So - answer this for me - how did Poole pick before Swindon?? We finished Champions, remember.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Not missing the point at all. I agree with SCB's post. Â PL averages should not have been used - BUT THEY WERE - and we have to get on with it. My point was whether PL or a %EL figure was used, I do not see how that gives Poole any greater advantage in their Tier 2 choice, having selected Ellis on 3 points?! Â Yes a better way imo would have been to use a % of their EL averages for the Tier 1 riders - but then you would have various posters complaining that the % should have been different!! If by using the PL averages doesn't give Poole a better choice of tier 2 riders(which I find hard to believe).It does however let them have a slightly stronger top 5 than five other clubs who's tier 1 riders have a higher PL average than Newman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven101 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Do we know how to work out averages for the reserves yet? Want to throw some teams together see what i get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 60% of pl average, or 3, whichever is higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 We finished Champions, remember.. Yes very funny paperboy! As champions you should get last pick! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Yes very funny paperboy! As champions you should get last pick! Dont bother trying to humour the humourless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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