heathen chemistry Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 all you poole apologists on here have got a messiah complex well i got news .... 'He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy'' :lol: :lol: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 all you poole apologists on here have got a messiah complex well i got news .... 'He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy'' :lol: :lol: Havn't you got weekend homework to do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 And your proof that the sport is corrupt is where?????????? RP Its not on the same scale of course , but i reckon some promoters club together or are bribed to vote a certain way , its does seem strange how the new rules seem to favour one club above the others...... one rider over 8 only lasted one season when it didnt suit poole,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Its not on the same scale of course , but i reckon some promoters club together or are bribed to vote a certain way , its does seem strange how the new rules seem to favour one club above the others...... one rider over 8 only lasted one season when it didnt suit poole,,,, Go away will you. you are obsessed with everything hate poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 After protecting Kyle Newman, Matt Ford was always going to go for the best 3.00 reserve available in order to fit the rest of his proposed 1-7 within the points limit. It happened to be Ellis , with whom he'd already checked availability! Its why he didn't go for Starke (3.60) again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 At first i liked the idea of the draft it would give young British riders a chance to improve(that side of it i still like)But sadly with protected riders and random rule changes it has gone very wrong. It is now a massive factor in whether a team can win the league or not.Right from the start of the season fans know if their team has had a poor draft pick they have little chance of winning the league.In the past fans could hope that team changes could make a difference as the season goes on but now they know a draft pick change will make little difference. Lets look ahead to next season all within the rules but Poole have had a great draft pick.Down to good management we all know that Poole will put together a great 1 to 5.Every promoter in the league has a chance to work their socks off and sign a 1 to 5 just as good as Pooles but we all know if they have had a poor draft choice they are wasting their time because in most cases reserves win meetings. We all want to beat Poole its part of the buzz to beat the top team but at the momment the way the draft has worked out it will be harder than ever and because of their draft picks a lot ot teams from the off will know they have no chance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBee Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 You shouldn't be able to protect anyone in the draft. You either have a draft that helps the poorer teams from the previous season or just don't have a draft at all. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 all you poole apologists on here have got a messiah complex well i got news .... 'He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy'' :lol: :lol: And I have news for you too..................the only person with a messiah complex is you................a lot of promoters could take lessons from Matt Ford in how to run speedway as a business................and be forward thinking and not living in the past................ RP You shouldn't be able to protect anyone in the draft. You either have a draft that helps the poorer teams from the previous season or just don't have a draft at all. So you would have been happy if last season Jason Garitty was not protected and this season James Sarjeant is not protected??????????? RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 After protecting Kyle Newman, Matt Ford was always going to go for the best 3.00 reserve available in order to fit the rest of his proposed 1-7 within the points limit. It happened to be Ellis , with whom he'd already checked availability! Its why he didn't go for Starke (3.60) again. The crux of all the arguments about the selection process is the false position of the riders. Had Newman been positioned in his rightful place, then Poole would not have had the opportunity to select Ellis even with his fictitious score. Since the introduction of Draft riders, the quality of such has a massive bearing on the outcome of all matches and the final league positions. For anyteam to stand any chance of success, they need top riders in the draft positions. That's why it is so unfair, that Poole are given this preferential treatment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 The crux of all the arguments about the selection process is the false position of the riders. Had Newman been positioned in his rightful place, then Poole would not have had the opportunity to select Ellis even with his fictitious score. Since the introduction of Draft riders, the quality of such has a massive bearing on the outcome of all matches and the final league positions. For anyteam to stand any chance of success, they need top riders in the draft positions. That's why it is so unfair, that Poole are given this preferential treatment. Well that's KL screwed then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) The crux of all the arguments about the selection process is the false position of the riders. Had Newman been positioned in his rightful place, then Poole would not have had the opportunity to select Ellis even with his fictitious score. Since the introduction of Draft riders, the quality of such has a massive bearing on the outcome of all matches and the final league positions. For anyteam to stand any chance of success, they need top riders in the draft positions. That's why it is so unfair, that Poole are given this preferential treatment. So KL protected Kerr - why didn't they go for Ellis as their 2nd tier pick was before Poole??! You're just coming out with the usual b/s without knowing the facts Edited November 8, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 So KL protected Kerr - why didn't they go for Ellis as their 2nd tier pick was before Poole??! You're just coming out with the usual b/s without knowing the facts Kerr had higher average than Newman, so Poole's turn would have been ahead of King's Lynn's. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 So KL protected Kerr - why didn't they go for Ellis as their 2nd tier pick was before Poole??! You're just coming out with the usual b/s without knowing the facts You're just coming out with the usual b/s without knowing the facts; Pot - Kettle !!!!!!! As with other clubs, we don't have no problem with Poole protecting Newman, its the false selection process that follows when going for the Tier 2 rider. I think you'll find Poole had the second choice instead of the 8th...... By the time Lynn choose, Ellis was long gone.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBee Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 So you would have been happy if last season Jason Garitty was not protected and this season James Sarjeant is not protected??????????? RP Yes. If you have a draft it has to be designed to help the teams that struggled the year before otherwise the sane teams keep the advantage. I'd rather have a fair system than win at all costs so I'd have been happy with this from the start of the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Kerr had higher average than Newman, so Poole's turn would have been ahead of King's Lynn's. Kerr had a slightly higher average (0.19 higher) in the PL but Newman had a much higher average in the EL. That is the root of the problem. You have to compare like with like, not what happens elsewhere. Logic says that if they are being picked for EL teams then it's EL averages that should count. If you don't take the EL averages you might as well do it on who is the best darts player or best snakes and ladders player for all the relevance it is. The PL is a different league with different tracks and different opponents with no protected heats. It's not rocket science. It makes no sense at all to take PL averages, except in th warped world of Matt and Muddlo. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Yes. If you have a draft it has to be designed to help the teams that struggled the year before otherwise the sane teams keep the advantage. I'd rather have a fair system than win at all costs so I'd have been happy with this from the start of the draft. I see where you are coming from....................but the draft originally was designed to bring through the lower grade PL and all NL riders that wanted to be in it................the first year it was in the majority of the tier 2 riders were out of their depth..............last year I felt it was much fairer and this year well.............I am not sure.............I am still trying to get my head round why Kyle Howarth is in it when he has been in the full team at various places over the last few years.................surely (and I have nothing against Kyle) that defeats the object of the draft in its entirety............ RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 So KL protected Kerr - why didn't they go for Ellis as their 2nd tier pick was before Poole??! You're just coming out with the usual b/s without knowing the facts Can't believe the know all of the forum can't understand the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Kerr had a slightly higher average (0.19 higher) in the PL but Newman had a much higher average in the EL. That is the root of the problem. You have to compare like with like, not what happens elsewhere. Logic says that if they are being picked for EL teams then it's EL averages that should count. If you don't take the EL averages you might as well do it on who is the best darts player or best snakes and ladders player for all the relevance it is. The PL is a different league with different tracks and different opponents with no protected heats. It's not rocket science. It makes no sense at all to take PL averages, except in th warped world of Matt and Muddlo. its just another loophole to gets riders on as low an average as possible i'd like to see some transparency which promoters drafted and then voted on using PL averages.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Kerr had a slightly higher average (0.19 higher) in the PL but Newman had a much higher average in the EL. That is the root of the problem. You have to compare like with like, not what happens elsewhere. Logic says that if they are being picked for EL teams then it's EL averages that should count. If you don't take the EL averages you might as well do it on who is the best darts player or best snakes and ladders player for all the relevance it is. The PL is a different league with different tracks and different opponents with no protected heats. It's not rocket science. It makes no sense at all to take PL averages, except in th warped world of Matt and Muddlo. I'm sorry E l Addio, but that is a ridiculous suggestion. Clearly their golfing capabilities would make much more sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 I'm sorry E l Addio, but that is a ridiculous suggestion. Clearly their golfing capabilities would make much more sense. If that was the case, the Poole reserves would be Davy Watt and Dakota North. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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