Woz01 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 another point about the reserves, i take they arent taking into account what position they rode in premier league ,for example a rider at reserve will have a higher average than a rider that rode in main body , so a lot of the average conversions will mean nothing,just another loophole to fudge the averages for some clubs a level playing field is wat the fans want, but the promoters are hell bent on bending the rules to suit....when will it end? Plus it seems they are using Ellis PL average from 2014 to convert for EL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Plus it seems they are using Ellis PL average from 2014 to convert for EL. They're not. That's how I read it first time round but in fact Poole are getting him on 3.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 What stinks to me is how they have removed last years FTDR list from the final green sheet pages. If you go back to the issue before the final green sheets, it seems that Poole have the 2nd rated rider from the 1st tier & the 2nd rated rider from the 2nd tier. How was this allowed to happen? I can see no logical reason for removing them from the final green sheet listings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 What stinks to me is how they have removed last years FTDR list from the final green sheet pages. If you go back to the issue before the final green sheets, it seems that Poole have the 2nd rated rider from the 1st tier & the 2nd rated rider from the 2nd tier. How was this allowed to happen? I can see no logical reason for removing them from the final green sheet listings. Because the promoters, collectively agreed to use PL averages, which makes Newman one of the lowest and gave them a good 2nd pick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) They're not. That's how I read it first time round but in fact Poole are getting him on 3.00. Which is what it converts to. The average quoted of Poole website was in fact 2015 EL average. Edited November 6, 2015 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Started off open so the fans could see what was going on .now its all done behind close doors so we cant see how poole rigged it You're obsessed! So very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post g13webb Posted November 6, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 You're obsessed! So very sad. Its not about being obsessed, it about being pissed off that Poole always benefits from every decision. Can you imagine the commotion Poole would make if, say Coventry , or Swindon or even Lynn was to benefits from some twisted idea that bore no relevance to reality. There are many words to describe how fellow supporters feel: Cheated, Unfair, Suspicious, Pissed off, had enough, cant be bothered, sod the sport... the list goes on. But what is fact, is that it does the sport more harm than good. People are so fed up with it they pack up going..... But don't you worry about a little thing like that........ 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I actually think Leicester have the best reserve pairing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob VDS Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Its not about being obsessed, it about being pissed off that Poole always benefits from every decision. Can you imagine the commotion Poole would make if, say Coventry , or Swindon or even Lynn was to benefits from some twisted idea that bore no relevance to reality. There are many words to describe how fellow supporters feel: Cheated, Unfair, Suspicious, Pissed off, had enough, cant be bothered, sod the sport... the list goes on. But what is fact, is that it does the sport more harm than good. People are so fed up with it they pack up going..... But don't you worry about a little thing like that........ Just out of interest and by no means doubting the contents of this post, does anyone actually know anyone who stopped liking speedway or stopped going due to Poole apparently getting the benefits of every decision? Genuinely interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Just out of interest and by no means doubting the contents of this post, does anyone actually know anyone who stopped liking speedway or stopped going due to Poole apparently getting the benefits of every decision? Genuinely interested. I know a few Swindon fans who've stopped going as how can any team win the league 3 times on the trot & continue to get the best of most decisions especially the reserves. No doubt the Poole fans will come on to reply but fans are being lost to the sport because of it & that is a FACT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Not Poole specifically, but the constant rule fiddling and loopholes are one of the main reasons I no longer attend Blunsdon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I actually think Leicester have the best reserve pairing!!! Have they signed Newman and Ellis then ? I must have missed that one 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob VDS Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) I know a few Swindon fans who've stopped going as how can any team win the league 3 times on the trot & continue to get the best of most decisions especially the reserves. No doubt the Poole fans will come on to reply but fans are being lost to the sport because of it & that is a FACT. OK thanks. So that's a few then. Anyone else? I'm only asking cos I find it hard people would give up the sport they love no matter who was winning. It's like me giving up supporting Liverpool during the Fergie era at United, never going to happen. And to be fair those swindon fans who have stopped going for that reason haven't really been tested yet have they? Seeing as their haven't been any meetings since Poole won the last title! Edited November 6, 2015 by Rob VDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) OK thanks. So that's a few then. Anyone else? I'm only asking cos I find it hard people would give up the sport they love no matter who was winning. It's like me giving up supporting Liverpool during the Fergie era at United, never going to happen. And to be fair those swindon fans who have stopped going for that reason haven't really been tested yet have they? Seeing as their haven't been any meetings since Poole won the last title! A few stopped when this draft was brought in & more I used to go with stopped last season because of the the way the sport was going as well. Edited November 6, 2015 by Crazy robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Just out of interest and by no means doubting the contents of this post, does anyone actually know anyone who stopped liking speedway or stopped going due to Poole apparently getting the benefits of every decision? Genuinely interested. Yea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejam Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) Just out of interest and by no means doubting the contents of this post, does anyone actually know anyone who stopped liking speedway or stopped going due to Poole apparently getting the benefits of every decision? Genuinely interested. Belle Vue v Poole 9/9/13 Edited November 6, 2015 by bluejam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob VDS Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Yea. OK. I find that weird that's all. And a bit silly but hey ho we're all different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 It was heartening to hear Buster talking about his new appointment last night. when ask what are his intentions for the future. He replied, 'I want to bring Honesty and Integrity to the table, but most of all I want there to be a connection with the fans.' ( To me that sentence speaks volumes, If he intend to bring these to the table then obviously they're not there at present........ The mind boggles) There are no air and graces with this man, he says it like it is. and that wonderful to see. I am in no doubt he will be a big success and make a big impression........ No doubt the deception of the draft selection process will become a distance memory..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 It was heartening to hear Buster talking about his new appointment last night. when ask what are his intentions for the future. He replied, 'I want to bring Honesty and Integrity to the table, but most of all I want there to be a connection with the fans.' ( To me that sentence speaks volumes, If he intend to bring these to the table then obviously they're not there at present........ The mind boggles) There are no air and graces with this man, he says it like it is. and that wonderful to see. I am in no doubt he will be a big success and make a big impression........ No doubt the deception of the draft selection process will become a distance memory..... And there you have to ask the question, connection with the fans? Over the last 2-3 seasons that has been terrible at our own club. Last season, the worst is ever been imo. We were left in the dark week after week and only let his feelings known at our very last league match. I agree though, he'd be a HUGH success but I repeat, the other promoter's won't allow the changes he would like to see I have no doubt about that. Trying to get past the 'old boys club' is one hell of a challenge to take on. For the sport, I really hope he pulls out off but just don't see it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Just out of interest and by no means doubting the contents of this post, does anyone actually know anyone who stopped liking speedway or stopped going due to Poole apparently getting the benefits of every decision? Genuinely interested. This is not a gripe or a moan and Poole won fair and square.(and it will not stop me going)I am just trying to give an example why fans get p/d off. Facts Pooles reserves are a big reason why they finished top of the league.Pooles reserves won them the play off final out scoring Belle vues reserves by 29 to 10 over the 2 legs Now the so called rules of the FT system any team who has a reserve that proves himself to be one of the best performers in the Elite league(be it right or be it wrong its the rule) get penalised the following year by having a lower 2nd draft pick.I would think the idea behind this is to give every club a fair chance of some success. Now the part that ps people off starts.Remember just using the to 2 clubs as an example other clubs will have their own problems with the draft. By keeping the same draft rules that have been in affect all year due to their Elite league performances Newman was placed 2nd and Worrall 5th on the draft list(both teams choose to protect their assets in the 1st round draft) so Poole get 7th pick and Belle vue get 4th pick of the 2nd tier draft riders no one has a problem with that because they have been the rules all season. Now the problem starts they decide that the old rules are out and decide to use Prem league averages for the draft list positions.What this does is that it now places Worrall at no 2 and Newman drops to no 6 now giving Poole 2nd pick and Belle vue 7th pick this now gives Poole Ellis and Belle vue waiting to pick a much lower ranked rider and now that all team members count in the teams averages it also gives poole 0.72 more than Belle vue for top 5 team building.So this goes against all the previous rules of the draft system which was to try and keep teams even having seen what Pooles reserve did against Belle vues in the final it now makes Poole even stronger and Belle vue weaker. Now looking at this as a speedway fan and not a Poole fan can you see why people get a little p/d off with the powers that be in the sport. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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