Navigator1900 Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 let's have a look a this years qualification. Only the Top Three got qualification for next year. SGP Challenge in Rybnik was just another gaters paradise ..... Why not create 3 different final qualification meetings. 1 in Poland, 1 Sweden or Denmark, 1 in Italy or Germany for example. take the Top Five or Six from these 3 meetings with addition of points from every race for next years GP. Under such circumstances you would have a fairer way to qualify. Feedback please, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 let's have a look a this years qualification. Only the Top Three got qualification for next year. SGP Challenge in Rybnik was just another gaters paradise ..... Why not create 3 different final qualification meetings. 1 in Poland, 1 Sweden or Denmark, 1 in Italy or Germany for example. take the Top Five or Six from these 3 meetings with addition of points from every race for next years GP. Under such circumstances you would have a fairer way to qualify. Feedback please, thank you. how is it not fair already?? They all start on zero points at the beginning of the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Personally would rather have two or three meetings for the finalists to stop any lucky or "home" riders getting through,but realise that is unlikely due to time and money.But a little series to qualify for the big series seems as fair as you will ever get 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Personally would rather have two or three meetings for the finalists to stop any lucky or "home" riders getting through,but realise that is unlikely due to time and money.But a little series to qualify for the big series seems as fair as you will ever get It does seem contradictory how the SGP is touted as being a fairer way of deciding the World Champion, and yet its qualifiers are decided by one-off meetings. However, the qualifiers are only barely tolerated as they are, and I'm sure BSI would rather handpick every rider. Â The problem with a qualifying series though, is not only one of finding dates in an already full calendar to hold it, but riders having a bad meeting that effectively eliminates their chances anyway. You'd just get a load of withdrawals on spurious grounds and the the competition would end-up becoming a farce. Â I know the same argument could also be advanced about the SGP, but it's quite a different thing to being out-of-contention but riding in the Ethiad Stadium in Melbourne, compared to having to travel to the likes of Teterow to go through the motions in front of a handful of fans. Oh, hang on... Â I think a better system would be to allocate a certain number of qualifying places in the SGP to each professional league based on something like UEFA coefficients (in turn radically reducing the number of automatic qualifiers to no more than 3), with maybe a place or two allocated to the best riders in the European Championship to give a route into the SGP for other riders. Yes, I'm aware that riders compete in more league, but if they qualify through more then one competition, then just take the next best riders in the European Championship or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 It does seem contradictory how the SGP is touted as being a fairer way of deciding the World Champion, and yet its qualifiers are decided by one-off meetings. However, the qualifiers are only barely tolerated as they are, and I'm sure BSI would rather handpick every rider. Â The problem with a qualifying series though, is not only one of finding dates in an already full calendar to hold it, but riders having a bad meeting that effectively eliminates their chances anyway. You'd just get a load of withdrawals on spurious grounds and the the competition would end-up becoming a farce. Â Â I agree.I am just talking about in a perfect world that is the best way,but speedway lives in nothing like a perfect world,and most know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 let's have a look a this years qualification. Only the Top Three got qualification for next year. SGP Challenge in Rybnik was just another gaters paradise ..... Why not create 3 different final qualification meetings. 1 in Poland, 1 Sweden or Denmark, 1 in Italy or Germany for example. take the Top Five or Six from these 3 meetings with addition of points from every race for next years GP. Under such circumstances you would have a fairer way to qualify. Feedback please, thank you. Gaters paradise ? Â Bomber qualified in 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 how is it not fair already?? They all start on zero points at the beginning of the meeting. Â Is that fair? A rider the goes through previous rounds undefeated doesn't get anything more from it then a rider who just manage to squeeze him/herself into the SF or Final? Possible give the winner/top three in each round a bonus point? I also would like the final round to be held over two or three rounds, just like the Ind. U21Ch. It would decrease the risk of track specialist getting an advantage, technical errors and just bad luck or etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 so somebody wants even more foreign calls on our riders..incredible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Possible give the winner/top three in each round a bonus point? Â Used to happen in the early days of the World Championship, but I think discontinued after Bluey Wilkinson scored a maximum in a World Final but still didn't win on the night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedef27 Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I would like to see a system where at the end of the qualifiers the riders start the final with the points they have accumulated throughout so the final does not just begin with a rider who effectively wins the meeting (or gets 3rd) but been average all season whilst a rider who may have dominated all season has an engine failure in last heat and then relies on a wildcard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) Â Used to happen in the early days of the World Championship, but I think discontinued after Bluey Wilkinson scored a maximum in a World Final but still didn't win on the night That was 1936, the bonus point system continued to 1938 with Wilkinson himself being outright winner thanks to bonus points despite only being joint top scorer on the night Edited November 1, 2015 by Oldace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 For qualifying I'd like a bit of the old and the new; 0. No GP riders in qualifiers 1. Federations run a qualifier for their own National allocated spots 2. This gives us an Overseas Final, Scandanavian Final and Continental Final 3. Top 5 from each to Intercontinental Final 4. 16th spot in Intercontintal determined by run off between 6th placed riders in above before heat 1, 2nd and 3rd become event reserves 5. Top 9 Intercontinental race off against bottom 7 in SGP in GP Challenge 6. Top 5 In Challenge are in for next year. 2 spots are kept open for nomination  Regionalizing the qualifiers cuts down on travel costs. Its also way more marketable than the current somewhat bland system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 think they should bring back the old routine  british final top 8 usa final top 4 aussie final top 6 ---- to overseas final then...top 8 to intercontinental danish /swedish/norway - nordic final top 8 to join overseas qualifiers to intercontinental  similar thing in poland,russia ,latvia, germany, and top 8 from continental join top 8 from intercontinental to make up the gp qualifier  top 8 from gp qualifier join bottom 8 from gp series to make up gp race off top 8 qualify for next yrs series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 I also would like to see that the permanent riders for 2016 (excluding reserves and single GP wild cards) will not be allowed to enter the qualifiers for the following season. So those who are not top 8 in 2016 will have to sit out the SGP for 2017 or rely on wild card. Â However I think in a not too distant future the SGP will drift more towards MotoGP/F1 and etc, type of championship with teams employing riders rather then riders qualifying via challanges or by being handed wild cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 What about the following? Â World Champion automatically qualifies Wildcard Top 4 averaged riders in Polish Elite League Top 4 averaged riders in Swedish Elite League Top 2 averaged riders in British Elite League Top averaged rider in Danish League Top 3 riders in European Championship (which would also include non-Europeans) Â Where a rider qualifies in more than one category, the spare place is filled from the European Championship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Has merit HA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Gaters paradise ? Â Bomber qualified in 3rd. check the record, Rybnik was definitely a gaters paradise, and Bomber qualified Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) check the record, Rybnik was definitely a gaters paradise, and Bomber qualified Didnt Bomber pass Pawlicki to qualify??.... Go onnnn bomber lad Edited November 4, 2015 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 For qualifying I'd like a bit of the old and the new; 0. No GP riders in qualifiers 1. Federations run a qualifier for their own National allocated spots 2. This gives us an Overseas Final, Scandanavian Final and Continental Final 3. Top 5 from each to Intercontinental Final 4. 16th spot in Intercontintal determined by run off between 6th placed riders in above before heat 1, 2nd and 3rd become event reserves 5. Top 9 Intercontinental race off against bottom 7 in SGP in GP Challenge 6. Top 5 In Challenge are in for next year. 2 spots are kept open for nomination  Regionalizing the qualifiers cuts down on travel costs. Its also way more marketable than the current somewhat bland system.  common sense like this will never catch on, shame really as the days of the old overseas final used to be amazing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 quite like the Steve Evans qualifying system, though I'd give the 16th slot in the ic final to the world u21 champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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