Martin Vaculik Not In Sgp 2016

[Humphrey Appleby]

Harris has qualified, for that season he could be the worst rider in the World in all but 3(?) meetings in 2015 but he has done it. It can't be argued. Dawid Kujawa did the same in 2001 at U21 level.

 

No-one can argue against riders qualifying through the system as it stands, but it once again highlights how daft it is to use a one-off knockout system to qualify riders for a GP series. Almost as daft as hand picking the same old riders year-after-year for no apparent reason.

[SCB]

 

No-one can argue against riders qualifying through the system as it stands, but it once again highlights how daft it is to use a one-off knockout system to qualify riders for a GP series. Almost as daft as hand picking the same old riders year-after-year for no apparent reason.

On one hand I agree. But on another I question the how the hell we can fit in yet more WC meetings?! The only solution I can see is to use the SEC as some sort of qualifier but then now does that work for nor European riders?

[Humphrey Appleby]

The only solution I can see is to use the SEC as some sort of qualifier but then now does that work for nor European riders?

 

Let non-European riders in as they've ridden in European Championships in the past.

 

Those well known Europeans Shawn Moran, Ron Preston and Steve Baker even won European Junior titles, and Steve Johnston a European Grasstrack if memory serves correctly.

 

I actually prefer to have SGP selection primarily based on some sort of rider ranking system (itself primarily based on league competition), with maybe a place or two available through the European Championship.

Edited November 2, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby

[Vince]

 

Helped of course by how many wildcard nominations because the series needed a Brit?

He will rightly be proud of riding at the very highest level of the sport for x number of years. Something that every rider who hasn't quite made that level would love to be able to look back on. Certainly something that all those who never even had the balls to try shouldn't be trying to take away from him!

[Humphrey Appleby]

Certainly something that all those who never even had the balls to try shouldn't be trying to take away from him!

I'm quite happy with my one national championship in my chosen sport.

 

I think the original point though, that was Philippe was equating riding in a lot of GPs as being a substitute for not earning very much money from them. I also don't think it's unreasonable to point out that selection for the SGP is sometimes down to political and economic considerations.

[fullbore]

I actually prefer to have SGP selection primarily based on some sort of rider ranking system (itself primarily based on league competition), with maybe a place or two available through the European Championship.

Sure, but if BSI did that you'd be posting about how they've got it wrong.

 

Niamh

[Humphrey Appleby]

Sure, but if BSI did that you'd be posting about how they've got it wrong.

Yes, because the selection process shouldn't be decided by BSI.

[RPNY]

Really the qualifying system should be done early in the season. Sounds tough to fit in but if you had say one weekend in late April, 4 meetings, 16 invited riders per meeting, with a seeding system worked out to make sure all the 'top' riders aren't put in the same meeting, top 4 from each go to the GP challenge where top 4 qualify for the GP. Do away with Wild Cards, often add ZERO to a GP, in fact if anything weaken the field 9/10. Unless its a situation like Zagar at Krsko in his pre regular days I doubt ever adds to the gate either.

 

I know the usual arguments of needing time to prepare and sorting sponsorship etc will come out, but riders qualifying on the previous years results can often lead to a weakened field. Every rider should start a season thinking they have a crack at being in the world championship.

[SCB]

Really the qualifying system should be done early in the season. Sounds tough to fit in but if you had say one weekend in late April, 4 meetings, 16 invited riders per meeting, with a seeding system worked out to make sure all the 'top' riders aren't put in the same meeting, top 4 from each go to the GP challenge where top 4 qualify for the GP. Do away with Wild Cards, often add ZERO to a GP, in fact if anything weaken the field 9/10. Unless its a situation like Zagar at Krsko in his pre regular days I doubt ever adds to the gate either.

Zmarzlik 17

Lindback average 10.

Cook 7

Pawel Przedpelski 7

Mikkel Michelsen 6

 

Thats half of the wildcards from 2015 who scored 6 or more. Gollob managed 4 from 3 in a shortened GP too. So was tied for 8th (technically 9th on countback). Thats over 50% doing just fine.

 

In 2014 Zmarzlik 17, Puodzuks 10, Miedzinski (average 7), Jonasson, Ljung, Bech and Janowski all 7.

[shoestringtours]

Sam Ermolenko states in his book...every rider in the world pre the GP's could wake up on January 1st. and say "I could be World Champion this year"

 

Now only 15 can say that.

And it's for that reason that my 45 year love affair with the sport is dwindling so badly it may unfortunately this year come to an end. The GPs series is stagnant

[RPNY]

so in 2 seasons Zmarzlik the only WC that really made a mega impact. And now he's a permanent GP rider anyway..

[lucifer sam]

I think I would alter the qualifying system as follows:

 

* Top 5 from GP series qualify

* Top 5 from GP Challenge qualify

* World Under-21 Champion qualifies

* Three seeds (one of whom must have never been a permanent GP rider before)

* Two wildcards per round

 

All the best

Rob

[ColinMills]

the wildcards are the organisers safety net..they are always going to "share out" riders that are needed for countries

with a following...Had Emil accepted a wildcard, im guessing kildemand/Hampel would of missed out, as 2 swedes

were clearly going to be in the series

[OveFundinFan]

I am sure Emil has said if/when he comes back to GPs he will qualify, not a wild card.

[OveFundinFan]

 

Out of curiosity, had Emil decided last week he wanted to be GP rider, which of the 4 (Hampel, Kildemand, Lindback and AJ) would you have dropped for him?

 

I would have to look closely at Lindback - I not sure he can perform well through a GP season.

[Gavan]

And what were Hans Nielsen and Tony Rickardssons averages? A lot higher than both but I'd not be calling for them to ride in the GP series. There no doubting AJ has in the past been a genuine GP rider, a rider who has IMO at least deserves his place. but his record from 2000 to 2013 is pretty irrelevant. You can only look at someones most recent season and possibly the one before to see if this year was just a bad one for some reason.

 

Harris has qualified, for that season he could be the worst rider in the World in all but 3(?) meetings in 2015 but he has done it. It can't be argued. Dawid Kujawa did the same in 2001 at U21 level. A nothing rider, nobody outside of Poland had heard of him, I think it was Crump who was commentating on Sky who was shocked to hear they both rode for the same club in Poland. But he won a World U21 title that season because on the day, he stepped up.

 

It's not about comparing AJ with Harris. It's about comparing AJ with the 100s of rider who also failed to qualify for the GP series. You can exclude all but about 10 riders straight away anyway for all manner of reasons.

 

Out of curiosity, had Emil decided last week he wanted to be GP rider, which of the 4 (Hampel, Kildemand, Lindback and AJ) would you have dropped for him?

I dont agree with you SCB

 

Think AJ is among the top 15 in the world quite clearly.

Vaculik didnt even make the challenge.

 

Last 6 years AJ has come 9th, 2nd, 9th,13th, 6th, 10th so no he isnt a title challenger but is consistently in the worlds top 10. Could you see another rider (Emil apart) finishing higher than AJ?

 

For the record Holder has come 8th, 8th ,1st, 12th, 7th, 8th so apart from a flash in the pan season he isnt really that better at gp level than AJ.

 

In answer to your question if Emil was in i would leave Lindback out. Messed up the challenge, messed up his one gp.

[Ghostwalker]

In answer to your question if Emil was in i would leave Lindback out. Messed up the challenge, messed up his one gp.

 

He also finished 3rd in Målilla GP this season. http://speedwaygp.com/results/98

Edited November 3, 2015 by Ghostwalker

[lucifer sam]

I dont agree with you SCB

 

Think AJ is among the top 15 in the world quite clearly.

Vaculik didnt even make the challenge.

 

Last 6 years AJ has come 9th, 2nd, 9th,13th, 6th, 10th so no he isnt a title challenger but is consistently in the worlds top 10. Could you see another rider (Emil apart) finishing higher than AJ?

 

 

How does what AJ did in 2009 or 2010 or even 2014 determine how good a speedway rider he is NOW?

 

Using your logic, I reckon Ove Fundin should be the Swedish rider in the GP, because he won the World title five times.

 

All the best

Rob

Edited November 3, 2015 by lucifer sam

[SCB]

I dont agree with you SCB

 

Think AJ is among the top 15 in the world quite clearly.

Vaculik didnt even make the challenge.

 

Last 6 years AJ has come 9th, 2nd, 9th,13th, 6th, 10th so no he isnt a title challenger but is consistently in the worlds top 10. Could you see another rider (Emil apart) finishing higher than AJ?

 

For the record Holder has come 8th, 8th ,1st, 12th, 7th, 8th so apart from a flash in the pan season he isnt really that better at gp level than AJ.

 

In answer to your question if Emil was in i would leave Lindback out. Messed up the challenge, messed up his one gp.

Vaculik did mess up the round before the challenge, you're correct but one meeting in a whole season says you're not top 15 in the World?

 

As for AJs record in 2010-2014, what what?! It's 2015 now and next year 2016, it's how he'll do next year, he's not top 15 in the World. Take a look at his Polish league average!

 

Holder is an interesting one, his league form does suggest he's not good enough (ditto Harris) but he finished top 8 and that, cannot be argued with. Incidently, his 12th place isn't a fair reflection. He was in 3rd place, 2 points behind Woffy when he broke his leg.

 

Lindback averaged 10 point a GP in 2014. That would have seen him finish 7th over all behind the actual top 3, Kildemand, Hampel and Zmarzlik based on average points per GP. Tied with Puk.

Edited November 3, 2015 by SCB

[Gavan]

 

How does what AJ did in 2009 or 2010 or even 2014 determine how good a speedway rider he is NOW?

 

Using your logic, I reckon Ove Fundin should be the Swedish rider in the GP, because he won the World title five times.

 

All the best

Rob

take out the bits you want and then publish them! thats the Poole mantra.

 

My point is that Jonsson has consistently been in the top 12 in the world for a number of years.

His record is inconsistent (6th then 10th and as high as 2nd) but he IS in the best 12 riders in the world.

 

I would say there isnt much between Vaculik and Jonsson but i would say AJ will be top 10 again and Vaculik would be like a Batchelor type rider.

 

Its just wether you go for new blood or the same old.

 

Lets face it there is only 2-3 riders who could win it next year and you will always have riders who will make only 2 or 3 semis.