E I Addio Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 As for Mear, if his average is not 4.1 that's it for me with EL speedway. I'll be giving up on speedway-stats, cancelling sky and paying for bt sport to watch the GPs, I'll go to Cardiff and he SWC but the EL has become a farce. So let's get this right. Adam Ellis gets a higher average at reserve for Lakeside than Rob Mear, goes to Poole on a 3 point average as an EDR rider and nothing is said. Rob Mear goes to Lakeside on a 3 and suddenly it's all wrong. Apart from the fact that Mear had an official GSA and no GSA's were kept in Adams year at reserve, there is no difference. Both are being rounded down to three for team building purposes. It's not as though Mear was a special case. For whatever reason it has been decided that they all start on a 3 and as long as it's the same for everyone I don't see it as a major issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 So let's get this right. Adam Ellis gets a higher average at reserve for Lakeside than Rob Mear, goes to Poole on a 3 point average as an EDR rider and nothing is said. Rob Mear goes to Lakeside on a 3 and suddenly it's all wrong. Apart from the fact that Mear had an official GSA and no GSA's were kept in Adams year at reserve, there is no difference. Both are being rounded down to three for team building purposes. It's not as though Mear was a special case. For whatever reason it has been decided that they all start on a 3 and as long as it's the same for everyone I don't see it as a major issue.You CANNOT compare draft riders averages which riders averages pre-draft. If Mear signed in a 1-5 he's have a 4.1 average, so why is it different in reserve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 You CANNOT compare draft riders averages which riders averages pre-draft. If Mear signed in a 1-5 he's have a 4.1 average, so why is it different in reserve? Is it any different with Howarth ? You can't compare PL averages with EL but they are still putting riders in on converted PL averages, hence Newman finishes up half way down the list he should have been top of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Is it any different with Howarth ? You can't compare PL averages with EL but they are still putting riders in on converted PL averages, hence Newman finishes up half way down the list he should have been top of.Howarth is riding on his EL average. So if anything goes against Mear being on a 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Howarth is riding on his EL average. Where has this been confirmed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Howarth is riding on his EL average. So if anything goes against Mear being on a 3. Â So Howarth and Newman both have higher EL averages than PL but Howarth rides on his higher average but Newman rides on the lower average ? So which one does Auty ride on ? Â I think we ought to wait for the starting averages to be confirmed before looking at this further because until then we wont know for surer, but one thing that seems to be coming increasingly clear is that this whole mess has kicked off because Poole were allowed to fiddle it to get Newman back/ Â THe one thing that 98% of us probably agree on is that the fairest way and most logical way to do it is that the team that finishes bottom gets first pick and the team that finishes top gets last pick. Once you start tampering/fiddling /adjusting that arrangement its sets up a domino effect that is liable to create all kinds of inconsistencies and at the end of the day that seems to be what is happening .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Â So Howarth and Newman both have higher EL averages than PL but Howarth rides on his higher average but Newman rides on the lower average ? So which one does Auty ride on ? Newman and Auty do not have EL average. Howarth does. Draft rider never got EL averages. However I've already made it clear elsewhere they should have used a conversion from their draft averages and not from their PL averages anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Poole didn't fiddle anything to get Newman back - he is their protected asset!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Newman and Auty do not have EL average. Howarth does. Draft rider never got EL averages. However I've already made it clear elsewhere they should have used a conversion from their draft averages and not from their PL averages anyway. I know you made the point elsewhere about on conversion from their draft averages and you were right about it IMO . My point is that once you move away from conversion from draft averages you open the door to all kinds of inconsistencies and that is exactly what has happened. Poole didn't fiddle anything to get Newman back - he is their protected asset!! The whole matter of protected assets is one of the things that mess up the draft. Let's not be specific about Poole then. Protected assets mean that any club whose protected asset does well at reserve can keep getting him back and so have the top scoring reserve year on year. It would be the same for Coventry if Garrity had decided to have another year as EDR instead of standing his ground and going into the 1-5. Â The protected asset system is good for the clubs that own that asset but no good for the sport when the fans can fill their programmes in for the protected heats before the race even starts season after season It reduces the relevance of the league as serious competition. Secondly if the whole point of EDR is to give more experience to riders then surely it is beneficial to the riders themselves to have a season at somewhere other than their home track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 It would be a backward step to bring back Davey. We need riders who will improve especially away from home. The team at the moment looks like it will struggle away. We have one reserve in Mear who has been away from the sport for a while and Blackbird who sounds like his heart may not be in it anyway. Kennett has never scored consistently well away from home either. Â I hope I am proved wrong but this looks like a team to win most home meetings and pick up the odd away win. We may then sneak into the play offs but then it will be the same old story of losing at the first hurdle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 It would be a backward step to bring back Davey. We need riders who will improve especially away from home. The team at the moment looks like it will struggle away. We have one reserve in Mear who has been away from the sport for a while and Blackbird who sounds like his heart may not be in it anyway. Kennett has never scored consistently well away from home either. Â I hope I am proved wrong but this looks like a team to win most home meetings and pick up the odd away win. We may then sneak into the play offs but then it will be the same old story of losing at the first hurdle. The last sentence is something that could be said about most teams at the start of every season but the landscape changes enormously by play off time. Who would have though last March that Kings Lynn who looked so strong then finish up,missing the play offs by a mile. Who would have thought that Coventry who seemed so much in the driving seat to top the league would have gone out with such a whimper. Then look at Swindons roller coaster of a season. Â The first priority IMO is to win at least 13 home meetings then it only needs to pick up a few points away to make the PO's. After that anything can happen . Like most clubs in most years it depends largely on everyone staying fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliv Clav Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 What is Kasprzak's average? Â Would Shamek Pawlicki fit in with Lawson to complete the top 5? Â Did Cook say Lawson has been offered a contract? As he was targetting 2 new riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 KK is 7.97 if I remember right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) What is Kasprzak's average? Would Shamek Pawlicki fit in with Lawson to complete the top 5? Did Cook say Lawson has been offered a contract? As he was targetting 2 new riders. What Jon Cook said on Saturday was that before the last meeting of the season at Coventry, AJ Kim, Ed and Rich were all told gthat irrespective of the outcome of that match they would all be offered contracts for 2016, and all expressed the desire to return. Â No information as to why Rich has not been announced, but it is possible that it is depedent on who he signs for in the PL. If he is back at Gladgow I suppose it depends to some extent whether they change their race night to Friday but the short answer is that I dont know why he hasnt been announced. Â As to the possible two new riders I think it is a exaggerration to say he was targetting two. What he said at the last forum I think was that he was having talks with two riders. I did hear unofficially that one is not being pursued because he has an exagerrated idea of what he is worth so he is now knocking on the door of a Midlands club. Cant say who it is or the club but if it is true then the fans of that club are not going to be happy if the club sign him. Â No idea who the other one is or whether any talks are continuing. Edited November 18, 2015 by Daytripper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Surely we weren't considering getting our fingers burnt for the third time with KK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Surely we weren't considering getting our fingers burnt for the third time with KK. Most things come in three's....have always said it, KK is brilliant to watch, and his style is suited to Lakeside's tight turns, but undoubtedly at some stage, he will let you down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Cook must be desperate if we made a move for KK, it worries me that he would even consider having him back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Personally I would take a gamble on KK. Purely because of the lack of other options at the moment. Â Unless we pull a rabbit out of the hat with someone like Emil (which I'm certain we wont) I just cannot see how the second heat leader role will be filled. We may find it hard to even fill our points limit but I think a few teams may have the same issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Surely there are plenty of decent non GP riders about who could ride as a heatleader?  Vaculik, Dudek, MJJ, KK, Pawlicki senior, THJ, Smolinski, Ljung, Protasiewicz, Kolodziej, Milik, or even some lesser established poles could come in  I understand GP riders wanting to give it a miss, but would have though some riders want to ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) I think many of those options would be considered a big fat rabbit mate! Â I wouldn't consider Ljung and Smolinski heatleaders either. Â I like the optimism though and hope very much we can get a good signing. Edited November 18, 2015 by NickyR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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