foreverblue Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Kerr is a better rider than Newman. Rode Number 1 for Newcastle and ended up with a better average than Newman. The only thing now will be how much Kerrs crash has affected him. However if i agree that Newman is far more exciting than Kerr who is basically a very good trapper From what i have seen in the EL i don't think there is too much between them and i agree Newman is more exciting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naffer Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 TheThing is with Newman,he rides the best in the play offs and outscores his opposition bloody little pain in the ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 It never was a true draft, although I do see your point. My take on it is that all this has not happened in the last few days. Jon Cook was talking about a back up plan ages ago. Everybody must have known for a long time Lewis Blackbird wasn't coming back because he hasn't signed for a PL club and they seem to be mostly complete now. Chapman must have know quite early on that PUK was seriously in doubt , and it wouldn't surprise me at all if all this has been on the cards for a long time, kept under wraps away from public gaze. That might well be the reason Lakeside have not announced any names on the BSPA site, because it now seems some adjustment will need to be made to accommodate Kerr/ Maybe nobody else wants Mear as Tier 2. He is not the greatest rider on away tracks, No doubt other promoters would by complaining if they were short changed by this. At the bottom of it all is the dithering and indecision by Buster Floodlight-Fuse who clearly knew before the season ended that NKI was in doubt but failed to get his ducks in a row in good time, hence the messing around with race night. Not an auspicious start for the man who reckons he is going to make the sport more credible. Anyway, welcome to Lakeside Lewis. Big welcome from the fans certain to be there for you in March. Both of those things can't be true.....if Buster had a back up plan as far back as you indicate then his ducks obviously were 'all in a row'. As any club would for a rider of his calibre and with such a high points limit he gave Puk time to have a think about returning next season, and it seems to me he had a plan B in place all along, but one which unfortunately means a change of race night. Don't forget though this is nothing new, we rode on plenty of Thursday nights in 2014 because of Danish fixtures. It seems Lewis was told that the race night might change but decided to sign for Ipswich anyway and join up with his Team Revolution partner, which is totally his perogative. Obviously if Buster had discussed all this with Cook weeks ago he must have had a contnigency plan, just as he has for replacing NKI. Giving one of the top riders in the world a bit of time to decide isn't dithering. Buster Chapman is many things (especially according to you) but daft isn't one of them. I'd have thought you could have just been pleased to have signed a fine reserve like Lewis without taking the opportunity to have a bleat along the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 TheThing is with Newman,he rides the best in the play offs and outscores his opposition bloody little pain in the ass. He does usually have a quiet period mid season but he pulls out all the stops in the play offs. He leaves no one in any doubt where his heart is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Both of those things can't be true.....if Buster had a back up plan as far back as you indicate then his ducks obviously were 'all in a row'. As any club would for a rider of his calibre and with such a high points limit he gave Puk time to have a think about returning next season, and it seems to me he had a plan B in place all along, but one which unfortunately means a change of race night. Don't forget though this is nothing new, we rode on plenty of Thursday nights in 2014 because of Danish fixtures. It seems Lewis was told that the race night might change but decided to sign for Ipswich anyway and join up with his Team Revolution partner, which is totally his perogative. Obviously if Buster had discussed all this with Cook weeks ago he must have had a contnigency plan, just as he has for replacing NKI. Giving one of the top riders in the world a bit of time to decide isn't dithering. Buster Chapman is many things (especially according to you) but daft isn't one of them. I'd have thought you could have just been pleased to have signed a fine reserve like Lewis without taking the opportunity to have a bleat along the way.[/quote I don't know if we are talking at cross purposes but I wasn't saying Chapman had a back up plan. When Lewis Blackbird was announced on the Lakeside website in October it was Cook that said he had a back up plan if Blackbird decided not to tp return to racing. It must have been clear for some time that Blackbird was unlikely to return because he has no PL club and the fact that Kerr moved to Lakeside so rapidly suggests to me that that move must have been on the cards for quite some time and long before the fans had any idea of it. Quite likely Cook had more than one back up plan. Beyond what I have just said is really speculation and how we choose to interpret things from the outside, but my broader point is that Chapman has already been in SS saying he is going to do this that and the other when he is BSPA Chairman and he does not appear to have exactly been up front with his own fans on some of this. Not the greatest of starts. It would be better if these people, not just Chapman, let their actions speak instead of telling us what they are going to do and not always doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Forgive my slowness in picking up on the Kerr situation, but has Lakeside signed Kerr in their 1-5, or is he been given one of their DRAFT places. ??? I thought the process was for the teams to pick the rider, and not the rider to pick the team. Has Lakeside dropped one of their 'Drafts' to accommodate Kerr ?? I get the impression the whole system has turned into a free for all, and the selection process gone out of the window???? Sorry, just me trying to be realistic of the whole situation. How would you justify this, to the un- converted........??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 The press release on the BSPA website did use the word 'select' which infers a draft rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Forgive my slowness in picking up on the Kerr situation, but has Lakeside signed Kerr in their 1-5, or is he been given one of their DRAFT places. ??? I thought the process was for the teams to pick the rider, and not the rider to pick the team. Has Lakeside dropped one of their 'Drafts' to accommodate Kerr ?? I get the impression the whole system has turned into a free for all, and the selection process gone out of the window???? Sorry, just me trying to be realistic of the whole situation. How would you justify this, to the un- converted........??? Sadly, these days one can rarely justify to "the unconverted" anything that happens in speedway. Edited December 8, 2015 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Think Steve Boxhall was the original rider that was on standby, but got an unexpected call from Belle Vue, & rightly took the opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Think Steve Boxhall was the original rider that was on standby, but got an unexpected call from Belle Vue, & rightly took the opportunity. There was nothing unexpected about it. Swindon picked Stef Nielsen but at the time he was in contention for a place at Ipswich so BV decided to wait and see, had Stef signed for Ipswich he would have been at BV but BV always had Boxall as the back up if that failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) I don't know if we are talking at cross purposes but I wasn't saying Chapman had a back up plan. When Lewis Blackbird was announced on the Lakeside website in October it was Cook that said he had a back up plan if Blackbird decided not to tp return to racing. It must have been clear for some time that Blackbird was unlikely to return because he has no PL club and the fact that Kerr moved to Lakeside so rapidly suggests to me that that move must have been on the cards for quite some time and long before the fans had any idea of it. Quite likely Cook had more than one back up plan. Beyond what I have just said is really speculation and how we choose to interpret things from the outside, but my broader point is that Chapman has already been in SS saying he is going to do this that and the other when he is BSPA Chairman and he does not appear to have exactly been up front with his own fans on some of this. Not the greatest of starts. It would be better if these people, not just Chapman, let their actions speak instead of telling us what they are going to do and not always doing it. I'd say that the fact it happened so quickly suggests that Buster had been part of the discussion from the word go too, unless you are suggesting Lakeside spoke to Kerr without King's Lynn's knowledge I am sure as soon as Kerr starting talking to Ipswich Buster must have at least considered the possibility that he would lose the rider should Puk decide to cut the UK out in 2016. The fact that everything has happened so smoothly and without heels being dug in suggests all parties were prepared for the scenario and that back up plans were in place long ago. I guess we will have a better idea once Lynn's new number six is announced as at present the reserve draft list, along with the heat leader list, seems to be shrouded in secrecy. As for the change of race night I don't believe Buster would enforce such a significant change on his customers without having a pretty good idea of their preferences and tolerances. He has been running the club/stadium for well over twenty years now and I would suggest knows exactly what is what. Its not ideal to switch from Wednesday to Thursday I'll admit but i don't believe it will cause too many people much of a problem, we had several Thursday fixtures a couple of seasons ago and one would assume it didn't affect crowds levels an awful lot. Plus if Thursday is going to be one of the set race nights next year as seems quite likely then for the sake of a competitive side why not make the alteration a year early. Norfolk people are a pretty laid back bunch and fairly adaptable, plus we've all been given over three months notice so I personally don't see it as a massive deal, although others may well disagree. Edited December 8, 2015 by Gordon Bennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Who knows what went on but I would just like to thank Kings Lynn for letting us have Kerr and for once in this EDR draft we have a top reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Sadly, these days one can rarely justify to "the unconverted" anything that happens in speedway. Assuming of course that 'the unconverted' could actually give a toss about it in the first place?! I am constantly amazed at the posters on here who immediately 'suspect a conspiracy' of some sort??!! ( And nothing to do with Matt Ford either!! Edited December 8, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Its looking more and more like the "draft" aspect of the process is the assembly of a pool of riders who meet eligibility criteria. After that, it becomes more a game of sophisticated musical chairs with some amount of side-deals going on, within a rough but quite flexible framework of "rules". However, as may have already become apparent and may be about to become even more so, the eligibility criteria for membership of the pool looks to be quite flexible also.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'd say that the fact it happened so quickly suggests that Buster had been part of the discussion from the word go too, unless you are suggesting Lakeside spoke to Kerr without King's Lynn's knowledge I am sure as soon as Kerr starting talking to Ipswich Buster must have at least considered the possibility that he would lose the rider should Puk decide to cut the UK out in 2016. The fact that everything has happened so smoothly and without heels being dug in suggests all parties were prepared for the scenario and that back up plans were in place long ago. I guess we will have a better idea once Lynn's new number six is announced as at present the reserve draft list, along with the heat leader list, seems to be shrouded in secrecy. What you say makes sense, in that everything been done so quickly........ But surely, had Buster been aware of Kerr's priorities, why would he have named him as our protected rider in the Draft selection???? That in itself is ludicrous..... Kerr's actions has made everyone look silly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Because at that time he was waiting for a yes or no from Neils? Kerr's 'actions' have made nobody look silly. Its all been blown way out of proportion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Because at that time he was waiting for a yes or no from Neils? Kerr's 'actions' have made nobody look silly. Its all been blown way out of proportion. Don't think it's anything to do with Niels. Wasn't the change of race night to accommodate another Dane? The change of race night surely wouldn't affect Niels because if he wanted back in Wednesdays were never the issue?? Seems to me they are waiting on someone else if they knew about possible possible change of race night BEFORE the draft. Only the actions of the Lynn promotion look 'silly '. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Think all of this stuff could have been avoided if they had the draft a few weeks later, as they have done in the past. It looks like the EL promoters wanted to get the drafts picks done as quickly as possibly, but it has backfired. Would have been easier if they had waited a few weeks to see where the riders were in the PL, and picked accordingly. Hopefully there will be fixed race nights next season, which should help things along. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Don't think it's anything to do with Niels. Wasn't the change of race night to accommodate another Dane? The change of race night surely wouldn't affect Niels because if he wanted back in Wednesdays were never the issue?? Seems to me they are waiting on someone else if they knew about possible possible change of race night BEFORE the draft. Only the actions of the Lynn promotion look 'silly '. It would seem that the rider that can't make Wednesdays wouldn't have been in the side had Puk signed, that is the point. The possible change of race night was part of plan B should Neils say no to the UK, and of course he hadn't done so when the draft was done and Lewis signed for Ipswich. As I said, mountains and molehills. None of the four parties involved have made any kind of fuss and its beyond me why anybody on here would want to either. Boredom perhaps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 If Lakeside use Mear, Kerr & Blackbird that would leave 7.46 for the final rider! Kenni Larsen? 1 Andreas Jonsson 7.842 Kenni Larsen 7.26 3 Kim Nilsson 6.98 4 Eddie Kennett 5.865 Robert Mear 4.44 6 Lewis Kerr 4.227 Lewis Blackbird 3.70 Total: 40.30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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