In My View Ss Article.

[Tsunami]

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Thank you for rightly making it clear that the meeting that made so many of decisions that are usually taken at an AGM was not actually an AGM at all. Fair enough.

 

But I am still a little unsure though whether you think this was a good way of doing it or not.

 

Am I totally amiss to think it daft?

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i think the early 'AGM' was in order to answer criticism that the BSPA, as a speedway national body, were behind other major leagues with forward planning in relation to fixtures, rules and formats. To facilitate early decisions, the early meeting was used, as opposed to the usual pre AGM meeting, which has always been held to set things up for the proper AGM. Knowing the rules, teams and formats allows the fixtures to proceed earlier, to save fixture changes later. The change in Chairman seems to have got a bit tangle up with it.

[John Leslie]

If the BSPA have a vote on scrapping double points tac subs or not, then surely the majority vote wins? And if we've got the same teams in the EL and PL as last year, assuming they vote the same way as last year nothing changes.

 

So what difference does it make if Keith Chapman or Alex Harkess is chairman?

 

If the clubs have equal votes and the majority wins, why would a change of chairman make any significant difference?

 

Surely a vote in late October under Alex Harkess will produce the same result as a vote in early November under Keith Chapman?

Edited November 12, 2015 by John Leslie

[Grand Central]

The change in Chairman seems to have got a bit tangle up with it.

And as that was entirely foreseeable, totally avoidable and - ultimately - destructive to forward momentum in 2016..

I think shall stick to plain idiocy.

 

 

If the BSPA have a vote on scrapping double points tac subs or not, then surely the majority vote wins? And if we've got the same teams in the EL and PL as last year, assuming they vote the same way as last year nothing changes.

 

So what difference does it make if Keith Chapman or Alex Harkess is chairman?

 

If the clubs have equal votes and the majority wins, why would a change of chairman make any significant difference?

 

Surely a vote in late October under Alex Harkess will produce the same result as a vote in early November under Keith Chapman?

Of course it may.

 

But it is usual on any committee for an incoming chairman to have his own 'mandate' that has secured him the position with the confidence of the members.

It is rare, unique in my experience, for a new committee chairman to be voted in only to have his hands tied for the first year having to carry out decisions that he does not really agree with personally at all. Especially on matters of real substance that may blight his tenure. That is just daft.

[PHILIPRISING]

THE fact that Chapman and Godfrey were voted in virtually unanimously would suggest that they have the necessary support to start making changes.

[Grand Central]

THE fact that Chapman and Godfrey were voted in virtually unanimously would suggest that they have the necessary support to start making changes.

That is what one would hope.

NOT that they all felt able to vote for them in the belief that the pre AGM arrangements had already tied their hands sufficiently tight that they are unable to move!

[A ORLOV]

At a few AGMs that I attend the first thing that happens is the stand down of any officials due to stand down and the vote in of the new officials and Chair person, if required, who then run the rest of the AGM.

[Tsunami]

At a few AGMs that I attend the first thing that happens is the stand down of any officials due to stand down and the vote in of the new officials and Chair person, if required, who then run the rest of the AGM.

Yes, but the BSPA AGM is split between last years business, followed by next years business. A team in the last season, who is not in next years season, leaves the meeting during the interval. Very sensible really.

[Humphrey Appleby]

If the clubs have equal votes and the majority wins, why would a change of chairman make any significant difference?

Surely a vote in late October under Alex Harkess will produce the same result as a vote in early November under Keith Chapman?

An AGM is the formal meeting usually legally required to sign-off the annual accounts, elect officers and make any changes to the constitution/association articles etc..

 

Of course the members can meet at any other time of the year and make other decisions, but if the constitution/articles state the AGM has to be held at a certain time, then that's what has to happen.

 

I seem to recall hearing that the annual BSPA meeting was actually a conference of the members which happened to incorporate the AGM, but stand to be corrected.

[The White Knight]

If the BSPA have a vote on scrapping double points tac subs or not, then surely the majority vote wins? And if we've got the same teams in the EL and PL as last year, assuming they vote the same way as last year nothing changes.

 

So what difference does it make if Keith Chapman or Alex Harkess is chairman?

 

If the clubs have equal votes and the majority wins, why would a change of chairman make any significant difference?

 

Surely a vote in late October under Alex Harkess will produce the same result as a vote in early November under Keith Chapman?

:sad: Someone always puts a damper on things. :sad:

 

At least I was happy for a short while - I should have known better really.

 

Of course you are right JL.

Edited November 12, 2015 by The White Knight

[Humphrey Appleby]

Not sure that Humphrey's idea of the legal ramifications had anything to do with it either. More likely just a cock-up.

Of course it was a cock-up, but my point in response to the suggestion that the outgoing members of the committee could simply hand over to the new members before their terms of office have expired. The old officers might (and probably still would) be legally liable for any decisions made by the new committee, although I suppose they could formally resign.

[SCB]

I'm guessing, but I'd assume the members of the BSPA Management Committee have legal liability, and given that the BSPA is not a limited company, then that would include financial liability. I wouldn't allow decisions to be made in my name by others in these circumstances.

But Alex Harkess was not at the original, fake AGM as his team were racing in a play-off meeting at the time. He is also quoted as being unhappy that in his absence the BSPA voted in the PL draft rule. So clearly some things were decided, and they were decided without a chairman present!!