In My View Ss Article.

[PHILIPRISING]

I think HA was making a valid point. It's all very well to come out with platitudes like "re-write the rule book " which means different things to different people. In fact it's only a small section of the rule book covering racing rules and team building that needs attention. What's he going to rewrite on the technical aspects such as machine specifications, duties of officials, etc which cover quite a bit of the rule book ? And as HA says, there is no,point in rewriting any rules if they are not going to be properly enforced.

 

It's good he has a positive attitude but let's see a bit more flesh on the bones before we carried away.

 

YOU will see that fairly quickly.

 

It is racing rules and team building that he wants to tackle. Speedway's rules should be simple as the late Ian Thomas suggested. Every year they got more and more complicated.

 

Of course they need to be properly enforced but that, too, is much easier the less complex they are.

[Humphrey Appleby]

NORMAL procedure would have the Chairman and the MC elected at the start of the AGM rather than two weeks later.

That pre-supposes that an AGM is usually held at roughly the same time every year. If it's moved a month earlier, then wouldn't that shorten the term of office of the incumbent MC members?

Speedway's rules should be simple as the late Ian Thomas suggested.

There's always going to be some inherent complexity in speedway rules - not least because there's all sorts of mechanical and safety stuff involved in any motor sport, plus all the multiple meeting formats you get in speedway.

 

The only simple part of speedway is four blokes riding in circles for four laps, but that would get boring pretty quickly. The rest of the rules are quite complicated because there's a certain need for that complexity.

 

In fact, whilst the speedway rulebook could do with clarification in places, it's actually more the farcical way in which those rules are interpreted, ignored or abused that's the issue. For example, riders not turning up because they're double-booked in Poland deemed to be 'injured' or 'withholding their services' and teams getting facilities for that.

 

Sure, most of us wouldn't be sorry to see the back of the double points nonsense, but that's hardly 'rewriting the rule book'. And you can be sure there will be whinges about too many one-sided meetings if there's nothing to help teams keep the scores close.

[topaz325]

RADICAL proposals from Chapman ... wants to organise a fans' forum to hear what supporters have to say ... rewrite the rulebook .... lots of good stuff but it will take take and require the backing of his fellow promoters. But the guy is determine to make changes and deserves to be heard and supported

Sounds like a step in the right direction, as he said in the Star major changes will not happen over night but the man is probably the only one with right attitude to make the changes required.....hopefully.

As was said, getting rid of the TR would be a start, not ground breaking but a good change for the better!

 

Rob Lyon for GB manager too.

[Star Lady]

And you can be sure there will be whinges about too many one-sided meetings if there's nothing to help teams keep the scores close.

This is what I've never been able to understand. Just because one rider doubles his points in a race it doesn't make the meeting any better or less one sided. Yes the maths might be different but not the quality of the racing. If it should happen to change a loss into a win it's just a false result.

 

It's a stupid rule, that should never have been brought in and the sooner it's scrapped the better IMHO.

[SCB]

YOU will see that fairly quickly.

 

It is racing rules and team building that he wants to tackle. Speedway's rules should be simple as the late Ian Thomas suggested. Every year they got more and more complicated.

 

Of course they need to be properly enforced but that, too, is much easier the less complex they are.

They are pretty simple. Until promoters ignore them, break them and get special dispensation.

 

For example, how difficult is it to understand the rule that riders should wear goggles?!

Edited November 11, 2015 by SCB

[PHILIPRISING]

They are pretty simple. Until promoters ignore them, break them and get special dispensation.

 

For example, how difficult is it to understand the rule that riders should wear goggles?!

IT wasn't a promoter who "broke the rules" about goggles.

 

We are talking about the rules that govern averages, r/r/ and guests for example ... subjects that have driven and continue to drive fans away from the sport.They can and should be simplified. About what you can do rather than what you cannot to enhance what happens on the track.

 

People have been moaning about the BSPA for years. Now there is a guy in the hot seat who is prepared to listen and act. Of course there will be differences of opinion and not everyone will sing from the same hymn sheet. That's impossible on both sides of the fence. Listen and read what Chapman has to say and give him time. Is that too much to ask?

[SCB]

My point about the goggles though is that it's a simple rule. But how much bother did it cause? And why didn't someone somewhere do something about it?

[Trees]

So Buster wants no tacticals at all?

 

IF the spirit of the sport came into all decisions made by promoters then there would be no need for the many, many rules, but it doesn't .......

[Star Lady]

So Buster wants no tacticals at all?

 

IF the spirit of the sport came into all decisions made by promoters then there would be no need for the many, many rules, but it doesn't .......

 

 

The words use were

 

One thing he is determined to do is get rid of the double tactical sub rule...

 

 

so I'm hoping that means just getting rid of the artificial double points and not tactical subs.

[Grand Central]

Yes, how annoying that established procedure has to be followed...

BUT it wasn't the established procedure as you probably well know.

 

 

The end of the official season in British Speedway is October 31st.

Always has been.

 

The term of office of the officers of the BSPA has never ended before that date.

All members of the Association, including Chapman were aware of that fact, or should be if they understand their own Articles of Association.

 

Having an AGM prior to that date was idiotic.

If you were the outgoing Chairman, or even the aspiring incoming one.

Idiots the lot of 'em.

Edited November 11, 2015 by Grand Central

[RobMcCaffery]

My point about the goggles though is that it's a simple rule. But how much bother did it cause? And why didn't someone somewhere do something about it?

Because it would have involved the impossibly embarrassing scenario of amending the result of the play-off final after the second leg event and in all probability having to stage a replay?

 

"Hello, is that Sky? Now about that match you broadcast showing Poole winning the league? Well, we've got a problem......."

 

Action should have been taken immediately after the match and before the second leg. There was plenty of video evidence and the BSPA could have solved it all with a simple conference call on the Tuesday. The starting marshal and referee should both be under investigation. It was totally unacceptable for this to be swept under the carpet in such a major event but sums up the deplorable level to which the sport has sunk. Newman was not eligible for heat 12 at Belle Vue and his points should have been removed. It is so very simple. Whether or not Poole were involved is academic, if not perhaps sadly inevitable.

 

This was an emergency situation seriously affecting the sport's dwindling credibility. If Buster can pull the sport up from this particular sewer then he'll have my true respect, for what little that's worth, although I just do not take the two race nights a week concept.

 

(Poole fans - this isn't an anti-Poole post, it's an anti-stupidity post.)

Edited November 11, 2015 by rmc

[PHILIPRISING]

 

 

The end of the official season in British Speedway is October 31st.

Always has been.

 

The term of office of the officers of the BSPA has never ended before that date.

All members of the Association, including Chapman were aware of that fact, or should be if they understand their own Articles of Association.

 

Having an AGM prior to that date was idiotic.

If you were the outgoing Chairman, or even the aspiring incoming one.

Idiots the lot of 'em.

QUITE right and in SS we pointed that out but despite the protestations of some they went ahead anyway. Yet another reason why a new broom is required at BSPA HQ.

[RobMcCaffery]

QUITE right and in SS we pointed that out but despite the protestations of some they went ahead anyway. Yet another reason why a new broom is required at BSPA HQ.

And why we vitally need the Star to tell them!

[Trees]

Could they not have agreed for the new committee to be the acting committee because of the timings and sworn in in November?

[The White Knight]

NORMAL procedure would have the Chairman and the MC elected at the start of the AGM rather than two weeks later.

DAMNED if he does and damned if he doesn't in your eyes. Ever the cynic.

 

One thing he is determined to do is get rid of the double tactical sub rule... which in itself would be a major step forward. As I say, give the guy a chance.

:party:

 

I obviously hope that he succeeds.

 

Yes Gemini - I will return to Speedway if it ever happens.

 

Until then though - I stay away.

 

 

Good grief ~ that will be a blow to The White Knight as he might have to give up his protest and start attending matches again.

DEFINITELY!!!!! :party:

Edited November 12, 2015 by The White Knight

[Tsunami]

 

 

The end of the official season in British Speedway is October 31st.

Always has been.

 

The term of office of the officers of the BSPA has never ended before that date.

All members of the Association, including Chapman were aware of that fact, or should be if they understand their own Articles of Association.

 

Having an AGM prior to that date was idiotic.

If you were the outgoing Chairman, or even the aspiring incoming one.

Idiots the lot of 'em.

As I pointed out at the time, the earlier meeting could not be the AGM, as the seasons finances, relating to the BSPA and the individual teams, could not be agreed as there were meetings still being held. It could only be again a pre AGM meeting, with decisions being provisionally agreed, but needing to be verified, along with the financial statement, at the normal November AGM to wrap business up for 2015 and the prep work for 2016. The Chairman's year would end in November.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Could they not have agreed for the new committee to be the acting committee because of the timings and sworn in in November?

I'm guessing, but I'd assume the members of the BSPA Management Committee have legal liability, and given that the BSPA is not a limited company, then that would include financial liability. I wouldn't allow decisions to be made in my name by others in these circumstances.

[Grand Central]

As I pointed out at the time, the earlier meeting could not be the AGM, as the seasons finances, relating to the BSPA and the individual teams, could not be agreed as there were meetings still being held. It could only be again a pre AGM meeting, with decisions being provisionally agreed, but needing to be verified, along with the financial statement, at the normal November AGM to wrap business up for 2015 and the prep work for 2016. The Chairman's year would end in November.

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Thank you for rightly making it clear that the meeting that made so many of decisions that are usually taken at an AGM was not actually an AGM at all. Fair enough.

 

But I am still a little unsure though whether you think this was a good way of doing it or not.

 

Am I totally amiss to think it daft?

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Edited November 12, 2015 by Grand Central

[Humphrey Appleby]

We are talking about the rules that govern averages, r/r/ and guests for example ... subjects that have driven and continue to drive fans away from the sport.They can and should be simplified. About what you can do rather than what you cannot to enhance what happens on the track.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's that simple. I actually think some sort of team equalisation is necessary and desirable in speedway, but the whole thing needs a re-think to encourage rider development and longer-term team building rather than who can get someone in on a false average. You want to prevent cheque book speedway (although it's probably more like credit card speedway nowadays), but allow teams to plan for more than a season ahead.

 

And with respect to replacements, the sport simply doesn't have the resources to have riders sitting around on the sidelines. I think most fans would prefer to see R/R than guests anyway, but guests are well established and if the regulations are followed then I don't think they're the end of the world. The problem is really riders missing for spurious reasons or because they're off riding somewhere else, combined with the straightforward abuse of the regulations.

 

The alternative to guests (at least for heat leaders) is really only a handicap system, but that would end-up being even more complicated than now. So I think the purported simplification of the rules is in fact not really that simple.

Edited November 12, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby

[PHILIPRISING]

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Thank you for rightly making it clear that the meeting that made so many of decisions that are usually taken at an AGM was not actually an AGM at all. Fair enough.

 

But I am still a little unsure though whether you think this was a good way of doing it or not.

 

Am I totally amiss to think it daft?

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OF course it was daft ... a but like Parliament passing a raft of new laws the week before a General Election. Not sure that Humphrey's idea of the legal ramifications had anything to do with it either. More likely just a cock-up.