Gazc Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) Worked well this year. Work in progress not a bad start but don't your worry you little cotton socks about it well be fine and so should you lot once the begging bowl has been emptied from this season and dusted down for next. Edited November 1, 2015 by Gazc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Worked well this year. Cracking stadium, plenty facilities, plenty entertainment, plenty revenue from food and drink sales during meetings and out with, great atmosphere during meetings, future secured. Yep it has worked well. And at your team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Cracking stadium, plenty facilities, plenty entertainment, plenty revenue from food and drink sales during meetings and out with, great atmosphere during meetings, future secured. Yep it has worked well. And at your team? And as some would say "Where did it all go wrong George". (parody on he George Best joke and Miss World) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 And as some would say "Where did it all go wrong George". (parody on he George Best joke and Miss World) Only downside is .... you can't choose your neighbours. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Work in progress not a bad start but don't your worry you little cotton socks about it well be fine and so should you lot once the begging bowl has been emptied from this season and dusted down for next. That's fine but the rules in speedway don't really allow for work in progress for the team as such. As we all know the minute you get a settled and successful side it's ripped apart. Cracking stadium, plenty facilities, plenty entertainment, plenty revenue from food and drink sales during meetings and out with, great atmosphere during meetings, future secured. Yep it has worked well. And at your team? Seven trophies in two years. I'll settle for that i think. I visited Ashfield for the first time this year and was very very impressed. It's great to see some investment in the sport up here. Don't get too comfortable though, we all know from the horrible world of football that people can become disinterested quickly! A few more seasons of no cups/leagues they might want a new toy to play with. I hope not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Seven trophies in two years. I'll settle for that i think. I visited Ashfield for the first time this year and was very very impressed. It's great to see some investment in the sport up here. Don't get too comfortable though, we all know from the horrible world of football that people can become disinterested quickly! A few more seasons of no cups/leagues they might want a new toy to play with. I hope not though. In all seriousness, are trophies the top priority? For the majority of speedway fans not lucky enough to support a team that has regularly won trophies, and are therefore not in your enviable position, survival would be top. I've always said I want entertainment first and foremost, and a team of 7 triers to be proud of. This year I've had both and a stadium and promotion to be proud of. That feeling lingers more than losing out on any trophies ... honest. As for entertainment, in 2011 when we won the league, attendances started falling off as the season got to the business end ... I can't vouch for everyone else, but for me meetings were getting boring, away teams were getting hammered FTG. As a Rangers supporter of over 40 years, (I'll assume you're not an old fart like me) I saw more success than you ever have with speedway. 6-0, 5-1, 4-0, week in, week out got boring. Only matches worth going to were Old Firm and Champions League. I gave up my season ticket of 20+ years at the height of the success - totally bored with it. Might sound strange, but since administration, starting from the bottom league has been much more interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) In all seriousness, are trophies the top priority? For the majority of speedway fans not lucky enough to support a team that has regularly won trophies, and are therefore not in your enviable position, survival would be top. I've always said I want entertainment first and foremost, and a team of 7 triers to be proud of. This year I've had both and a stadium and promotion to be proud of. That feeling lingers more than losing out on any trophies ... honest. As for entertainment, in 2011 when we won the league, attendances started falling off as the season got to the business end ... I can't vouch for everyone else, but for me meetings were getting boring, away teams were getting hammered FTG. As a Rangers supporter of over 40 years, (I'll assume you're not an old fart like me) I saw more success than you ever have with speedway. 6-0, 5-1, 4-0, week in, week out got boring. Only matches worth going to were Old Firm and Champions League. I gave up my season ticket of 20+ years at the height of the success - totally bored with it. Might sound strange, but since administration, starting from the bottom league has been much more interesting. Of course trophies are the top priority. Why else would a promotion put a side out? Entertainment is a welcome addition but first and foremost people go to see their team win. I obviously want Edinburgh to survive but the threat of closure has been their for years and we've made it through each time so i'm not going to have sleepless nights about the thought of closure. I don't think we have got to the stage where Edinburgh fans expect to win everything (you'll likely disagree), that's when it becomes bad. To use your football analogy, i can think of nothing worse than being a Celtic or Rangers fan and with it the expectation of winning everything. As a Hearts fan, the weekends where we have won the Scottish Cup 'recently' have been out of this world. If we somehow win the league i think i better take the month off work! Rangers are still winning every week (well, last season and today aside ;-p) so not sure why it's so different to the pervious years where it was also the norm? Edited November 1, 2015 by JanAndersen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) Of course trophies are the top priority. Why else would a promotion put a side out? Think we'll need to agree to differ. Ask any promoter who's invested his own money what he'd prefer. Win a trophy, but it means financial difficulty for the following year and uncertainty, or keep your head above water financially long term but no trophies. No brainer. Edited November 1, 2015 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Think we'll need to agree to differ. Ask any promoter who's invested his own money what he'd prefer. Win a trophy, but it means financial difficulty for the following year and uncertainty, or keep your head above water financially long term but no trophies. No brainer. He might as well pack it in then. What's the point? Do you think the Facennas will be happy with your second option there? Not on your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 He might as well pack it in then. What's the point? Do you think the Facennas will be happy with your second option there? Not on your life. Facennas not a realistic example of a typical promoter. They've personally financed a club through their other business. So why do the promoters who's teams haven't won a trophy, on an annual basis open for business the following year? Year in, year out? Based on your theory they would close or sell up. Hmm! Haven't seen that happening. Unless you can prove otherwise. Don't think you have a realistic view on finance. You have a fans POV, not one of someone investing your own money and time. Very simplistic and totally risk free. But as I said, we'll agree to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Facennas not a realistic example of a typical promoter. They've personally financed a club through their other business. So why do the promoters who's teams haven't won a trophy, on an annual basis open for business the following year? Year in, year out? Based on your theory they would close or sell up. Hmm! Haven't seen that happening. Unless you can prove otherwise. Don't think you have a realistic view on finance. You have a fans POV, not one of someone investing your own money and time. Very simplistic and totally risk free. But as I said, we'll agree to differ. Thanks for the patronising second part of your post. Promotors will not pitch up year after year if they don't believe somewhere deep down there's a chance of winning something. I just don't believe they assemble sides each season with no expectation or hope at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Thanks for the patronising second part of your post. Promotors will not pitch up year after year if they don't believe somewhere deep down there's a chance of winning something. I just don't believe they assemble sides each season with no expectation or hope at all. Not patronising, realistic observations based on your posting content. Winning isn't everything, for example, they have to protect their investment for future on-sale. If winning was everything, why not break the bank one year and go for broke? History suggests you're wrong. If not, why not give some examples? As I keep saying we should agree to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Of course promoters will go into each season hopeful and optimistic of success. That's the point of the points limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Not patronising, realistic observations based on your posting content. Winning isn't everything, for example, they have to protect their investment for future on-sale. If winning was everything, why not break the bank one year and go for broke? History suggests you're wrong. If not, why not give some examples? As I keep saying we should agree to differ. It was patronising. Nothing i posted suggested i don't have financial nous. We can agree to disagree. Enjoy your cracking stadium, shop, food stalls etc. If your lack of trophies continues one can only assume you'll be content? Attendances will drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Of course promoters will go into each season hopeful and optimistic of success. That's the point of the points limit. No it's not. It's for everyone to start on an equal footing as best as possible and all that goes with that i.e. to prevent buying the league. It was patronising. Nothing i posted suggested i don't have financial nous. We can agree to disagree. Enjoy your cracking stadium, shop, food stalls etc. If your lack of trophies continues one can only assume you'll be content? Attendances will drop. No one is suggesting you don't have financial nous. You said ... "Of course trophies are the top priority." I'm putting forward an alternative view. If you can't accept that fine. If you go down the route of "personal" in preference to putting forward evidence to back your claim, then accept that others won't change their POV. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I doubt a promoter goes into any season, when on the same points limit level as everyone else, and does not aim for a top 6 finish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 No it's not. It's for everyone to start on an equal footing as best as possible and all that goes with that i.e. to prevent buying the league. No one is suggesting you don't have financial nous. You said ... "Of course trophies are the top priority." I'm putting forward an alternative view. If you can't accept that fine. If you go down the route of "personal" in preference to putting forward evidence to back your claim, then accept that others won't change their POV. Exactly, it's a viewpoint. You suggested i should accept i was wrong? Why would i accept my view was wrong? I don't understand your last sentence. Are you suggesting i was getting personal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) I doubt a promoter goes into any season, when on the same points limit level as everyone else, and does not aim for a top 6 finish. Exactly, it's a viewpoint. You suggested i should accept i was wrong? Why would i accept my view was wrong? I don't understand your last sentence. Are you suggesting i was getting personal? An ex-promoter has just liked my last post, so read into that what you will. I never suggested you should accept you were wrong here's what I posted ... "If you can't accept that fine." Why not just provide some factual evidence to back your claim about promoters motivation? Edited November 1, 2015 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I doubt a promoter goes into any season, when on the same points limit level as everyone else, and does not aim for a top 6 finish. Nah, it's just about survival apparently. An ex-promoter has just liked my last post, so read into that what you will. I never suggested you should accept you were wrong here's what I posted ... "If you can't accept that fine." Why not just provide some factual evidence to back your claim about promoters motivation? You got any to support yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 You got any to support yours? As I said, an ex-promoter "liked" my post. This discussion isn't really getting off the ground is it? You've made a point in here ... good! It's a discussion forum, so I'm trying to discuss it. So do you want to back up your point with evidence so we can have a discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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