orion Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) If they use the same reserves.................to be fair Kyle Newman was lined up for Poole last season even if he was not in the draft............. RP lol he was always going to be in the draft ...Otherwise he have been nowhere near a team place at Poole . Edited October 23, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 lol he was always going to be in the draft ...Otherwise he have been nowhere near a team place at Poole . Exactly. I don't get how a rider who already had EL experience with Poole even before the draft and has now been riding in the EL for a while can still be graded at the bottom of the draft list. What has how well he rides the PL tracks got to do with how well he rides the EL ones? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 And how very interesting that 8 (teams) x 3 (heatleaders per team) = 24 Rider no.24 is Edward Kennett, with an average just above the mooted 6.50 criteria for counting as heatleaders! However, with rider withdrawals and retirements certain among the 1-24, that group will need to be topped-up by the same number of new arrivals/returners, and/or lowering the heatleader threshold average? I don't know why people are getting confused over the 6.50 averages. It only applies to new foreign riders, not established UK riders. Why does it only apply to new foreign riders ? Think it through. If they are new riders they will be on assessed averages based on Swedish and Polish leagues which are not necessarily indicators of how well they will do in the UK heat format. For the UK there is a performance record on which to judge. Which will make it interesting if a few new riders from abroad come in as tier 1 riders and some at the end of the tier 1 list cannot be signed as all teams already have their three riders. What then would happen to a rider like Kennett. There won't be many (any) promoters prepared to take a gamble on a new and untried foreigner on a relatively high average of 6.5 as heatleader on under the present heat formula, unless it is someone very special. All the likely foreigners have averages anyway. The trick, as always with new foreign riders will be to find someone on a low average that can make a big improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Darcy Ward 10.80 Jason Doyle 10.55 Niels K Iversen 10.36 Maciej Janowski 10.28 Andreas Jonsson 9.23 Peter Kildemand 8.91 Matej Zagar 8.88 Rory Schlein 8.77 Chris Harris 8.56 Chris Holder 8.31 Scott Nicholls 8.03 Troy Batchelor 8.02 Fredrik Lindgren 7.68 Craig Cook 7.66 Nick Morris 7.66 Hans Andersen 7.27 Peter Karlsson 7.07 Dakota North 6.96 Joonas Kylmakorpi 6.91 Grzegorz Walasek 6.83 Grzegorz Zengota 6.83 Davey Watt 6.77 Mikkel B Jensen 6.76 Edward Kennett 6.59 Kim Nilsson 6.48 Kenneth Bjerre 6.43 Danny King 6.33 Robert Lambert 6.23 Ricky Wells 5.92 Richard Lawson 5.75 Josh Grajczonek 5.67 Max Fricke 5.42 Kyle Howarth 5.19 Jacob Thorssell 5.17 Kacper Gomolski 5.15 Vaclav Milik 5.14 Tobiasz Musielak 5.00 Jason Garrity 5.00 Szymon Wozniak 5.00 Kyle Newman 4.96 Lewis Kerr 4.71 Josh Auty 4.67 Stuart Robson 4.43 Steve Worrall 4.35 Nicklas Porsing 4.18 Piotr Swiderski 4.18 Charles Wright 4.16 Bjarne Pedersen 4.14 Ashley Birks 3.91 Simon Stead 3.84 Lewis Blackbird 3.78 James Sarjeant 3.16 Adam Ellis 3.10 Paul Starke 3.03 Stefan Nielsen 2.87 Josh Bates 2.58 Mikkel Michelsen 2.57 Simon Lambert 2.09 Lewis Rose 2.07 Ashley Morris 2.05 Eduard Krcmar 1.95 Adrian Miedzinski 1.54 I've included every rider regardless of the number of meeting they have ridden*, so the likes of Michelsen, Miedzinski, Pedersen and Stead are wrong. It means no need to using PL average for reserves, no need to "heat leader" list. Sorted. And quite nicely, if you remove Ward, Magic and Kildemand, take the top 56 (8 teams of 7 riders), add their combined averages and dive by 8 (teams) you get 40.29 which is about right for the points limit. *I know theres a few odd riders missing (summers and swiderski for 2 as I need to update the database to let it know they had signed for EL teams) but it's most riders. Why not get a proper job, like sweeping the streets. Far more useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 lol he was always going to be in the draft ...Otherwise he have been nowhere near a team place at Poole . Shows how little you know................he was lined up for a place regardless being included in the draft.............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Shows how little you know................he was lined up for a place regardless being included in the draft.............. RP Not sure if you are naïve or Stupid or both ...watch out for flying pigs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Shows how little you know................he was lined up for a place regardless being included in the draft.............. RP Well that's not true. And shows how little you know! A British rider in Pooles 1-5 without being forced to by the rules?! Haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Not sure if you are naïve or Stupid or both ...watch out for flying pigs . Yet another insult..............you never give up do you.............. Well that's not true. And shows how little you know! A British rider in Pooles 1-5 without being forced to by the rules?! Haha! Actually it was fact............... RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Actually it was fact............... RP prove to us how it is a fact ? Edited October 24, 2015 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 So poole would have included him ahead of gomolski? On from memory a highrr averagr? Who did they have lined up as their draft pick then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 So poole would have included him ahead of gomolski? On from memory a highrr averagr? Who did they have lined up as their draft pick then? If Newman was going to be in the team proper I have no idea who they would have had as a draft pick...............as for a higher average I am not sure...........I don't know how they planned to calculate the averages for the EL for draft riders that move up............. I thought the objective of the draft pick was for riders to be able to move into the team proper after one or two seasons anyway................at least that is how the majority of people interpreted it............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 If Newman was going to be in the team proper I have no idea who they would have had as a draft pick...............as for a higher average I am not sure...........I don't know how they planned to calculate the averages for the EL for draft riders that move up............. I thought the objective of the draft pick was for riders to be able to move into the team proper after one or two seasons anyway................at least that is how the majority of people interpreted it............. RP So not a fact then ..that's what we thought . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 So not a fact then ..that's what we thought . It is fact...........it was in the press last winter go and find it.......... No point saying any more because clearly you do not believe me..............and I am not lowering my self to your level by being childish and disbelieving............... When you can turn round and say something positive about Poole without slating its fans or riders or promotion I might listen to what you have to say..............True fans do not slate other teams, riders or fans................and that is something I have never done...........I tell it as it is and if you don't like it its not my problem............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) It is fact...........it was in the press last winter go and find it.......... No point saying any more because clearly you do not believe me..............and I am not lowering my self to your level by being childish and disbelieving............... When you can turn round and say something positive about Poole without slating its fans or riders or promotion I might listen to what you have to say..............True fans do not slate other teams, riders or fans................and that is something I have never done...........I tell it as it is and if you don't like it its not my problem............. RP No point you saying anything else as you have been proved wrong ..even if there was a press statement from Poole it does mean that is a fact that Newman would been given a place in the top 5 place in the Poole like up.. it's more likely to be either a lie as it's Poole or spin ..so not only it is not fact you also don't tell it how it is . Edited October 24, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) It is fact...........it was in the press last winter go and find it.......... No point saying any more because clearly you do not believe me..............and I am not lowering my self to your level by being childish and disbelieving............... When you can turn round and say something positive about Poole without slating its fans or riders or promotion I might listen to what you have to say..............True fans do not slate other teams, riders or fans................and that is something I have never done...........I tell it as it is and if you don't like it its not my problem............. RP I'm pretty sure it was reported that Kyle Newman wanted to ride in the main body of the team. I can't imagine that was ever likely to be considered by Matt Ford though, as it would have shafted Poole in the Elite Draft. Edited October 24, 2015 by Nellie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 What I believe is true is that Garrity and Newman wanted nothing to do with the draft as the pay wasn't enough and we're all for quitting it and taking their chances at getting a 1-5 place. That changed when they upped the pay rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I'm pretty sure it was reported that Kyle Newman wanted to ride in the main body of the team. I can't imagine that was ever likely to be considered by Matt Ford though, as it would have shafted Poole in the Elite Draft. Why would it have shafted them...................they would just have had a choice of a tier one and tier two rider without having a protected rider.............no different to most other teams.......... RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Why would it have shafted them...................they would just have had a choice of a tier one and tier two rider without having a protected rider.............no different to most other teams.......... RP They would had last pick in the first draft rather than the best rider who then somehow gets seeded 5th meaning they get a good pick in the second draft as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Why would it have shafted them...................they would just have had a choice of a tier one and tier two rider without having a protected rider.............no different to most other teams.......... RP Because Poole would have had last pick in round one, and been left with Steve Boxall or Adam Roynon, so a considerably worse tier 1 rider yet the same tier 2 rider. A far weaker pairing. Do you think the league would have been won with Boxall/Roynon and Starke at reserve? I certainly don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Exactly. I don't get how a rider who already had EL experience with Poole even before the draft and has now been riding in the EL for a while can still be graded at the bottom of the draft list. What has how well he rides the PL tracks got to do with how well he rides the EL ones? Firstly , I would like to say, I have nothing but respect for Newman and don't blame him for any of the controversy surrounding his draft position He is without doubt the Best of the Draft riders and should be rightly acclaimed so. For the last 2 years now he has stood out and impressed wherever he rode, and was such an important ingredient of Poole's winning teams. All the fans and riders are aware of this and I'm sure the promoters are as well, so WHY is it then they continue to create issues by persisting with grading riders from the PL form when that has no relevance to the EL at all. Last year from the PL list, Newman was placed 7th, and gave Poole such an advantage, one that proved paramount to their success. Surely the BSPA can see the obvious conclusions..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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