Belle Vue 2016

[Reviresco]

There must be something very odd going on in your mind if you think the post you quoted contradicts post 1389!

 

At least there's something going on in my mind.

[A ORLOV]

10 days is a bit tight for the BV - Poole meeting, with hopefully a couple of practice sessions before that.

[arthur cross]

10 days is a bit tight for the BV - Poole meeting, with hopefully a couple of practice sessions before that.

 

10 days in the middle of summer with plenty of warm weather in the forecast during that spell would still be a tight squeeze.

 

10 days during what we're actually getting - one of the coldest, yuckiest mid-April spells for many years - is a hell of a gamble.

[Aces51]

There's no gamble. Belle Vue are not saying it will definitely be done in 10 days but that is the current estimate. It will depend on exactly what is found when the excavation of the 3rd and 4th bends is done and the weather. The contractors shall be doing the work and the Council will be in charge.

 

The sensible course is to make a decision about the match against Poole when more information is available. There is nothing to be gained by calling it off whilst there is still a chance that it may go ahead.

[5 FURROW]

There's no gamble. Belle Vue are not saying it will definitely be done in 10 days but that is the current estimate. It will depend on exactly what is found when the excavation of the 3rd and 4th bends is done and the weather. The contractors shall be doing the work and the Council will be in charge.

 

The sensible course is to make a decision about the match against Poole when more information is available. There is nothing to be gained by calling it off whilst there is still a chance that it may go ahead.

So if the council are gonna be in charge whos there expert on the laying of a speedway track or is it gonna be the blind leading the blind why dont they get someone up there that are preparing tracks every week and not someone who will stand there with a clip board and hard hat oh and i forgot hi vis jacket

[A ORLOV]

So if the council are gonna be in charge whos there expert on the laying of a speedway track or is it gonna be the blind leading the blind why dont they get someone up there that are preparing tracks every week and not someone who will stand there with a clip board and hard hat oh and i forgot hi vis jacket

This is the question asked earlier but nobody knows the answer.

[SteveLyric2]

There's no gamble. Belle Vue are not saying it will definitely be done in 10 days but that is the current estimate. It will depend on exactly what is found when the excavation of the 3rd and 4th bends is done and the weather. The contractors shall be doing the work and the Council will be in charge.

 

The sensible course is to make a decision about the match against Poole when more information is available. There is nothing to be gained by calling it off whilst there is still a chance that it may go ahead.

I would think that Poole would be well within their rights to request a further postponement of what would be their first Sky meeting of the season??!!

 

I know its not something that the away team can insist on, but exceptional circumstances and all that!!!! ?

[PHILIPRISING]

IT'S the base of the track that is the problem, not the top surface. That has to be resolved by contractors appointed by the MCC and no real speedway expertise is required. It's only when the shale goes down that Colin Meredith (presumably) will be on call to lend a voice, hand or whatever.

[OveFundinFan]

Well, as turns 1 & 2 are not causing a problem then this blind person with a clip board and hard hat must have done a good job up to that point.

 

Look, its obvious something has gone wrong on bends 3 & 4. Those who have frequented this post through the weeks & months and followed links to photos of progress will recall that the contractors worked themselves out of the track/stadium, with turns 3 & 4 being the last (and I suspect turn 4 would have been finished after turn 3), with just about a week before the official opening.

It would seem logic to me that the material to be used on 3/4 could not be supplied in time and so they layed "some other stuff" which has proved to be inferior to what was specified - that's what I deduce from whats been said.

I assume there will be a major "inquest" between the contractors and Manchester city council, with injection from BV speedway, as to what has gone wrong and who will "pay a price" - the legal stuff. In the meantime isn't it good that the problem has been identified and remedial work is now being done. We can assume that turn 3 and 4 will become as raceable as turn 1 and 2, then the track, indeed the whole stadium, will then prove to be something really positive to talk about..... not sure some posters on here will allow that though.

[5 FURROW]

IT'S the base of the track that is the problem, not the top surface. That has to be resolved by contractors appointed by the MCC and no real speedway expertise is required. It's only when the shale goes down that Colin Meredith (presumably) will be on call to lend a voice, hand or whatever.

And what expertise has Meredith got he's one that's been everywhere call on a proper person who knows what he's doing Buster

[orion]

 

10 days in the middle of summer with plenty of warm weather in the forecast during that spell would still be a tight squeeze.

 

10 days during what we're actually getting - one of the coldest, yuckiest mid-April spells for many years - is a hell of a gamble.

A bit like letting 6 thousand fans into a stadium when you know the tracks not ready ...

[arthur cross]

IT'S the base of the track that is the problem, not the top surface. That has to be resolved by contractors appointed by the MCC and no real speedway expertise is required. It's only when the shale goes down that Colin Meredith (presumably) will be on call to lend a voice, hand or whatever.

 

According to DG the issue was down to the materials used, not the labour. Assuming the correct materials are used (I dont think that's an unreasonable assumption but some of the unusual suspects may struggle with it) after the 3rd and 4th turns have been excavated, what difference would an 'expert' make?

 

For the time being, I'll note both the comments quoted above, pending what actually develops over the next few days and weeks.

 

I sincerely hope both of those comments don't prove to be breathtakingly naive.

[damosuzuki]

According to DG the issue was down to the materials used, not the labour. Assuming the correct materials are used (I dont think that's an unreasonable assumption but some of the unusual suspects may struggle with it) after the 3rd and 4th turns have been excavated, what difference would an 'expert' make?

 

Make sure they don't make a c*** of it?

[New Science]

Whilst I agree that the start of the National Stadium has been less than ideal - I am disgusted at some of the comments on here. It is almost as if some so called Speedway Supporters are actuallly revelling in Belle Vue's misfortune, rejoicing in it indeed.

 

Mr. Gordon and Mr. Morton are trying to produce a Speedway asset that will last both Belle Vue and our Country for many years to come. They should be praised for this - not vilified. Various explanations are given on here regarding the problems, the Contractors and the Council seem to be, in the main, responsible for the debacle. Mr. Gordon and Mr. Morton have arranged the financial backing for this Project - they did not actually build the Stadium or the Track. Specifications were provided, yes but after that they were in the hands of the Council and the Contractors.

 

The only criticism that I have in the Promotion is that their obvious enthusiasm to open as soon as possible was, with hindsight (always easy to view things after the event) overly optimistic. I have great sympathy for those who turned up for the Opening Meeting only for it to be called off. Belle Vue are apparently, and quite rightly, issuing Ticket Refunds to Supporters. As for travelling expenses, Days off taken etc. this is all part of supporting Speedway. I have attended a lot of rained off Meetings over the years and I have never, ever received any travelling expenses for my pains - that, as I say, is how supporting Speedway works and probably has done since time immemoriam.

 

After all of these early problems, Belle Vue and our Nations young Riders will have a Stadium and Track which will provide great racing in an Arena which will be among the very best in the World. The Promotion should be praised for their foresight. Without it the new Speedway Stadium would not exist. Without the new Stadium we would not have a place where the very best of our young Riders can be trained and will, hopefully, go on to be World Champions.

 

Finally, instead of all the carping and nastiness, which drove me off this Forum in the first place, could we please have a little understanding for the feelings of those people who have moved heaven and earth to bring this new Stadium and Track to fruition. THEY WILL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB!!

 

I, for one, THANK them.

 

UP THE 'ACES'!!!!

Ah welcome back White Knight,I see you took a sabbatical when the bullets were flying after opening night, you were probably uncomfortable by the level of flak flying the managements way,but it seems now it is safe to come from behind the sofa and rigorously re defend the management with a fervour again. " The start has been less than ideal" that doesn't sound too bad unless your were one of the five thousand who spent money on fuel,hotels and time off work,which you describe as all part of following speedway ? and by the way this was definitely not one of those unavoidable rain offs that you have experienced many times without recompense ."Have some understanding for the feelings of the people who have moved heaven and earth to bring this stadium and track to fruition" Please ! all the sympathy is with those who parted with their time and money and who were conned by the very promotion you defend.

Edited April 15, 2016 by New Science

[colin wood]

All those supposably conned can get refunds where's the con? Don't think you actually went to the opening meeting did you?

[New Science]

All those supposably conned can get refunds where's the con? Don't think you actually went to the opening meeting did you?

No I didn't but I'm not the one defending the promoters !

Ask those who went if they felt conned ?

I'd say letting 5,000 people into a stadium for a meeting due to take place on what the promoters knew was an unsatisfactory track is a con

[colin wood]

I went and due to the information now released don't think I was conned at all.Have you any proof that the promoters new before the riders did there warm up laps that the track was not fit?

[Little Nicki]

I went and due to the information now released don't think I was conned at all.Have you any proof that the promoters new before the riders did there warm up laps that the track was not fit?

 

Can I ask how far you travelled to the abandoned opening meeting and, whether you have any proof that the promoters did not know that the track was unfit before the riders did their warm up laps? You seem to be 'in the know'.

[New Science]

I went and due to the information now released don't think I was conned at all.Have you any proof that the promoters new before the riders did there warm up laps that the track was not fit?

If they didn't know than that is negligence of the highest order.

Of course there is no one on the management team who knows anything about speedway or speedway tracks except Chris Morton

[Starman2006]

IT'S the base of the track that is the problem, not the top surface. That has to be resolved by contractors appointed by the MCC and no real speedway expertise is required. It's only when the shale goes down that Colin Meredith (presumably) will be on call to lend a voice, hand or whatever.

I don't agree Phil, Meredith should have been there to oversee both.

 

 

I'm pretty sure he was present when the repairs were done because I remember someone getting a bit uptight because she thought 'he was only allowed to advise'.

 

 

As for being there while the whole track was laid, had I been 'in charge' I would have made sure they knew what was expected by providing a detailed specification and I would have arranged an inspection early in the build, if it was satisfactory I would have left them to finish the job.

 

Isn't that what happened?

 

 

Thats what should have happened, but did it ? As i said the track curator is obliged to be present at both.