stevehone Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I'm looking at the bigger picture here, but I'm hoping people can now actually start to get behind Belle Vue with things. When the track has settled it WILL be the best RACEtrack in the country and the facilities are outstanding. We don't have an awful lot going for the sport at the moment, so possibly it's time now to let the SCB do their investigations, but for the rest of us to do our bit and go along and support the venture. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Based on the 'evidence' so far, I think that Colin Meredith's position is untennable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) The inference from that BSPA statement is the SCB would not withhold a track licence based on concerns with the suitability of a tracks' surface: "An official SCB track licence was only granted on Friday as it met the necessary requirements in terms of track dimensions and facilities including safety fence." Sounds unlikely to me that no account is taken of the surface when inspecting a track and issuing a licence? Edited March 21, 2016 by Stoke Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Taken from official Belle Vue web site - SATURDAY 19th MARCH It is with great sadness and regret that tonight's Peter Craven Memorial meeting has had to be abandoned.Although the weather has been dry in the past week, the winter weather has played a significant part in tonight's proceedings and with safety being our number one priority there was no other conclusion but to abandon the meeting.We fully understand the frustration and disappointment of the many fans who travelled to witness tonights's season opener and must be wondering what happens next.A full statement with information for ticket holders will be made shortly Now 12.45 Monday 21st and still NO FULL STATEMENT (or even partial) . - Come on Morton and Gordon get you f'ing fingers out and attempt to make some sort of amends. Call yourselves promoters - yeah, you promoting how NOT to run a sport event you thieving gits . Shame on you both. I'm looking at the bigger picture here, but I'm hoping people can now actually start to get behind Belle Vue with things. When the track has settled it WILL be the best RACEtrack in the country and the facilities are outstanding. We don't have an awful lot going for the sport at the moment, so possibly it's time now to let the SCB do their investigations, but for the rest of us to do our bit and go along and support the venture. No thanks -already made 1 too many visits to the new Belle Vue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 with the money being spent on the facilities and the track. has any money been spent on track covers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommer Mon Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Well I fully intended to go on Easter Monday to support the Heathens against the Colts. I have no idea how much work is still required but some are mentioning 4 weeks until it is ready. I will still go if it is on and wish the Belle Vue management all the best in sorting it out. Such a late cancellation was extremely regrettable but what's done is done. I just feel so sorry that the delay in cancelling it cost so many fans a small fortune in petrol and hotel bookings. We have all been asking for straight talking from the BSPA and their statement certainly delivers that, while they retreat at pace in an attempt to distance themselves from any responsibility whatsoever. I would have liked to have seen some offer of help in there to the Aces to get this sorted out. This is supposed to be the National Stadium afterall and every Promoter in the country will benefit from its success. Another sorry stage in Speedways demise in the UK but let's hope we have now reached the bottom of the barrel. Edited March 21, 2016 by Ommer Mon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Should Buster really be allowed to make public statements on behalf the BSPA ? He certainly has done himself nor the Controlling Body no favours with comments like this. Interesting statement on the BSPA site - drawing as much attention to the BSPA / SCB being whiter than white, and "don't blame them", as it does to the shambles that happened on Saturday. One quick question though...isn't the SCB, through its referee, in charge of the meeting from 2 hours before tapes up? Therefore if the SCB referee did a track inspection didn't he/she have the last chance of calling the meeting off before too many people were let into the turnstiles, and parting with their money on catering, programmes etc? OK so the doors were open early, but some people could have been helped out. Could those people who had journeys to make not have been prevented from wasting their time, or at least have returned home a few hours earlier without standing or sitting out in the cold for nothing? The SCB, whiter than white? - I think not. Edited March 21, 2016 by uk martin 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I wonder if the tone of the BSPA statement is coloured by the reported warnings from various riders/officials etc that all was not good. It's even been said that BV were warned to cancel earlier in the week but chose not to. IF, and it's conjecture, they were warned and so advised, you can understand the frustration of their fellow promoters. I doubt the fans will ever know the truth. Not that i know much about track licences.But if there were all the concens as mentioned above more so that Belle vue were warned to cancel but chose not to then why was the track given a licence.If the powers that be were that concerned all they had to do was to refuse to licence the track and the meeting could not then have gone ahead. I am not saying that the Belle vue promotion are not to blame.But what i am saying is that whatever organisation that isued a licence that passes the track fit for purpose when its not and with all the above warnings should take equal blame. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Taken from official Belle Vue web site - SATURDAY 19th MARCH It is with great sadness and regret that tonight's Peter Craven Memorial meeting has had to be abandoned. Although the weather has been dry in the past week, the winter weather has played a significant part in tonight's proceedings and with safety being our number one priority there was no other conclusion but to abandon the meeting. We fully understand the frustration and disappointment of the many fans who travelled to witness tonights's season opener and must be wondering what happens next. A full statement with information for ticket holders will be made shortly Now 12.45 Monday 21st and still NO FULL STATEMENT (or even partial) . - Come on Morton and Gordon get you f'ing fingers out and attempt to make some sort of amends. Call yourselves promoters - yeah, you promoting how NOT to run a sport event you thieving gits . Shame on you both. No thanks -already made 1 too many visits to the new Belle Vue Well at least we've got that out of the way. You've had your rant now fella, you're throwing serious accusations around and there's really no need. If that really was your last visit then I may even consider refunding you myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Well I fully intended to go on Easter Monday to support the Heathens against the Colts. I have no idea how much work is still required but some are mentioning 4 weeks until it is ready. I will still go if it is on and wish the Belle Vue management all the best in sorting it out. Such a late cancellation was extremely regrettable but what's done is done. I just feel so sorry that the delay in cancelling it cost so many fans a small fortune in petrol and hotel bookings. We have all been asking for straight talking from the BSPA and their statement certainly delivers that, while they retreat at pace in an attempt to distance themselves from any responsibility whatsoever. I would have liked to have seen some offer of help in there to the Aces to get this sorted out. This is supposed to be the National Stadium afterall and every Promoter in the country will benefit from its success. Another sorry stage in Speedways demise in the UK but let's hope we have now reached the bottom of the barrel. Sadly, I wouldn't bet on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Not that i know much about track licences.But if there were all the concens as mentioned above more so that Belle vue were warned to cancel but chose not to then why was the track given a licence.If the powers that be were that concerned all they had to do was to refuse to licence the track and the meeting could not then have gone ahead. Presumably because according to the BSPA statement a licence only covers the length, width of track and the safety fence but crucially not the track surface. Something that in my view is wrong. Relevant sentence from statement below. Having gone thro the SCB track regulations (pages 19/20) there is absolutely no mention of the raceability or even rideability of the track. An official SCB track licence was only granted on Friday as it met the necessary requirements in terms of track dimensions and facilities including safety fence Edited March 21, 2016 by Star Lady 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Well at least we've got that out of the way. You've had your rant now fella, you're throwing serious accusations around and there's really no need. If that really was your last visit then I may even consider refunding you myself. So sad that you have so few expectations and low standards - although being a Belle Vue supporter I can well understand that from the many years of experience you encountered. As for the offer of the refund - very honourable of you. Thanks for it as a donation to the speedway riders benevolent fund instead - or has your 'consider' now gone away ? Edited March 21, 2016 by markyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 with the money being spent on the facilities and the track. has any money been spent on track covers ? Yes there will be track covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 As chairman , it's his job and I cannot believe that the rest weren't aware of what he was going to say. If they didn't I'd suggest his tenure as chairman will be a short one. For years folk have moaned that the BSPA fudged things, glossed over them etc. this statement doesn't do that. People can't have it both ways. What is the point in The BSPA ( or Buster Chapman) saying its not our fault etc etc. They are the controlling Body so they should be controlling. Or would that be too simple for them ? If I had spent the money that some appear to have spent on this total farce then Speedway would not get another cent out of me. The BSPA should be standing up taking their share of the blame and be big and bold enough to say to the this is what we are proposing to do by way of compensation for all the people who have been ripped off by. Yet again the Speedway fan bends over takes another one up the harris ( no pun intended on Bomber). Buster's brand new World of Speedway has got off to one heck of a start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 That BSPA/SCB statement is appalling. You would hope as a member of a "professional" body that when things go wrong they support you publicly even if privately they're calling you all sports. Also, all winter we've not heard form Chapman, something goes wrong somewhere and he can't wait to slag them off! Lets not forget this man ruined a track for an EL pairs that was on Sky years ago so he's not perfect. Belle Vue messed up, they're going to get stick but it shouldn't be from the top man at the BSPA FFS! There you go BV, finding out now what it's like to be a club others are envious of. Be it money, ambition are a nice new stadium. Some at the BSPA will try and screw you over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 That BSPA/SCB statement is appalling. You would hope as a member of a "professional" body that when things go wrong they support you publicly even if privately they're calling you all sports. Also, all winter we've not heard form Chapman, something goes wrong somewhere and he can't wait to slag them off! Lets not forget this man ruined a track for an EL pairs that was on Sky years ago so he's not perfect. Belle Vue messed up, they're going to get stick but it shouldn't be from the top man at the BSPA FFS! There you go BV, finding out now what it's like to be a club others are envious of. Be it money, ambition are a nice new stadium. Some at the BSPA will try and screw you over! I'm really glad that this has come from you. Somebody neutral. I'm absolutely appalled by that statement. I'm not excusing BV in this, they've messed up. But for the governing body to come out and slate one of its own members and make themselves look whiter than white is frankly just rude and disrespectful. That statement for me has done more damage to British speedway than anything that occurred on Saturday night 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Presumably because according to the BSPA statement a licence only covers the length, width of track and the safety fence but crucially not the track surface. Something that in my view is wrong. Relevant sentence from statement below. Having gone thro the SCB track regulations (pages 19/20) there is absolutely no mention of the raceability or even rideability of the track. My point being that if the BSPA knew that this could happen and warned Belle vue that it could and they felt that running the meeting would harm British speedway they could still have refused to licence the track to stop it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Do we think there is a possibility here that we may lose our licence to operate? I don't want to believe that the BSPA would do that, but after reading that statement I would say anything is possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I remember Chapman at the time of that shared meeting complaining that the BSPA had not openly criticised him and I think he referred himself to the SCB for an investigation. Mind you, my memory isn't what it used to be. Maybe I got that wrong and there's just a slight hint of hypocrisy in today's statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I think Buster should offer to take the World Team Final back to Saddlebow, as Belle Vue isn't fit for purpose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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