Pirate Nick Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) I'm not sure what Tai is referring to when he says it should have been called off on Thursday. The two riders who tested the track were Richie Worrall and Max Fricke and that was on Friday. Max Fricke said on Facebook Max Fricke Racing via Belle Vue Speedway Yesterday at 02:31 · Saturday night's meeting is going to be huge with some world class riders assembled to race at the new National Speedway Stadium's inaugural meeting. I managed to get a few laps in at the track yesterday and it feels like a great track so is bound to produce some very exciting racing. Can't wait. Would that be Max Fricke the Belle Vue rider? He's hardly likely to publicly announce that the track was no good is he? Edited March 20, 2016 by Pirate Nick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion but that I would pay no heed to it. You had to be there to see what went on, how the track looked, how the riders reacted to it during their track walk round and practice and how the promoters behaved. It's like deciding how much value you place on the opinion who someone who gives a view on a road accident based on what others have said as against the opinion of someone who witnessed it. I hope that helps you understand. it was a bodge up!....of course you can tell what happened, even if you were in china! the track wasn't ready (by all accounts they knew on Thursday), no press conference to make fans aware of this position. the management failed the fans, pure and simple 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion but that I would pay no heed to it. You had to be there to see what went on, how the track looked, how the riders reacted to it during their track walk round and practice and how the promoters behaved. It's like deciding how much value you place on the opinion who someone who gives a view on a road accident based on what others have said as against the opinion of someone who witnessed it. I hope that helps you understand. You did not have to be there to understand that riders said the track was unfit ...You also don't have to there to see that Belle Vue speedway gave out a statement not blaming the riders but saying the main concern was the track being safe and the wet winter was the problem ....you also never had to be there to see that people including riders had known that the track had massive problems days before the meeting ...so to sum it up weather you were there or not the track was not safe for racing and never was , Edited March 20, 2016 by orion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) So it's Max and Richie's fault then?? The blame lies squarely with the promoters who have a very poor track record (excuse the pun) over the last 10 years and as I've said previously I hope it hurts them in their pockets as it did for all those who attended! Not sure how anyone could interpret my comments to be blaming the two riders. I was just pointing out that Tai seems to have misunderstood when the test was. However, Fricke's comments do tend to cast doubt on those who claim it should have been called off on Friday. You will also see if you read my post#918 that I said the promotion have to accept responsibility. As for their record over the last 10 years, keeping the club going and getting the new stadium built seems pretty good record to me. Would that be Max Fricke the Belle Vue rider? He's hardly likely to publicly announce that the track was no good is he?I understand what you're saying but surely the real point is that he didn't have to say anything publicly, as Worral didn't. You did not have to be there to understand that riders said the track was unfit ...You also don't have to there to see that Belle Vue speedway gave out a statement not blaming the riders but saying the main concern was the track being safe and the wet winter was the problem ....you also never had to be there to see that people including riders had known that the track had massive problems days before the meeting ...so to sum it up weather you were there or not the track was not safe for racing and never was ,I don't understand your point. I've never said that the track wasn't unfit or blamed the riders. I said it was known there were problems, which is why they were working on it on Saturday morning and I think, thought they had sorted it. I'm not sure who these riders were who thought there were massive problems days beforehand. Perhaps you can give me the details, it might change my opinion. Edited March 20, 2016 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 The track isn't rubbish. It's just not bed in and was never going to be after 7 days. The rest of the track that was laid before was mint and you can see it's going to create great racing. People need to stop the witch hunt. This will be sorted of that I have no doubt You're first line is spot on ,But why were 6000 people invited to travel from all over the country to witness with their own eyes what the promoters knew already. That's why there's a witch hunt going on 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Not sure how anyone could interpret my comments to be blaming the two riders. I was just pointing out that Tai seems to have misunderstood when the test was. However, Fricke's comments do tend to cast doubt on those who claim it should have been called off on Friday. You will also see if you read my post#918 that I said the promotion have to accept responsibility. As for their record over the last 10 years, keeping the club going and getting the new stadium built seems pretty good record to me. I understand what you're saying but surely the real point is that he didn't have to say anything publicly, as Worral didn't. I don't understand your point. I've never said that the track wasn't unfit. I said it was known there were problems, which is why they were working on it on Saturday morning and I think, thought they had sorted it. I'm not sure who these riders were who thought there were massive problems days beforehand. Perhaps you can give me the details, it might change my opinion. were you there Saturday morning???? thought you had to be there to have an opinion....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Not sure how anyone could interpret my comments to be blaming the two riders. I was just pointing out that Tai seems to have misunderstood when the test was. However, Fricke's comments do tend to cast doubt on those who claim it should have been called off on Friday. You will also see if you read my post#918 that I said the promotion have to accept responsibility. As for their record over the last 10 years, keeping the club going and getting the new stadium built seems pretty good record to me. I understand what you're saying but surely the real point is that he didn't have to say anything publicly, as Worral didn't. I don't understand your point. I've never said that the track wasn't unfit. I said it was known there were problems, which is why they were working on it on Saturday morning and I think, thought they had sorted it. I'm not sure who these riders were who thought there were massive problems days beforehand. Perhaps you can give me the details, it might change my opinion. Woffiden quite clearly ...Hans Andersen knew so did Nicki Pendesen if you read there twitter ....So unless they are mind readers the info they got was correct ...or did just guess and get lucky ? Edited March 20, 2016 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 were you there Saturday morning???? thought you had to be there to have an opinion....... Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Yes. so Chris Morton assumed it was "RACEABLE"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) So Tai thinks it should have been called off on Thursday. Interesting! I said the self same thing if you read my posts in the PC/memorial thread, The track curator would have known the state of bends 3-4. several days ago if not longer,and should have reported such to the BV promotion. Simple as. Theres no getting away from that. Edited March 20, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I said the self same thing if you read my posts. The track curator, would have known the state of bends 3-4. several days ago if not longer,and should have reported such to the BV promotion. Simple as. Theres no getting away from that. EXACTLY....Aces51 just told us he was there Saturday morning..now I would guess the 5,000 crowd wouldn't of known much about the track conditions, but I'm damn sure Chris Morton and the track curator knew exactly what was being kept quiet!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Woffiden quite clearly ...Hans Andersen knew so did Nicki Pendesen if you read there twitter ....So unless they are mind readers the info they got was correct ...or did just guess and get lucky ? Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I assumed you were talking about riders who had first hand experience of, as you claim, massive problems, not simply relating to what unnamed people had said to them or rumours. Edited March 20, 2016 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I assumed you were talking about riders who had first hand experience of, as you claim, massive problems, not simply relating to what unnamed people had said to them or rumours.Havvy said on twitter a rider said on Friday that track wasn't ready. Speak to Havvy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I assumed you were talking about riders who had first hand experience of, as you claim, massive problems, not simply relating to what unnamed people had said to them or rumours. When I did claim that riders had first hand experience of it ...I said riders knew before the meeting started ....and as I said they were correct ...so are saying they guess and just got lucky ? to anyone with any common sense the info given to them was bang on the money , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Last night was so so disappointing, and whilst I applaud everything the promotion has done to get the stadium ready, the whole event was 2 weeks too early, you could see that from the fact they tried to cram 2 min speedway test events in on the weekend before. They really should have bitten the bullet and moved the opening date a week or so, and done it a while ago. However having announced the opening night date so early they backed themselves into a corner in the basis that the stadium was delayed in completion. Publically financed facilities, which this is, are often delayed due to red tape etc that a privately financed stadium wouldn't have. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and the future of the stadium is now dependent on what the promotion do NOW. We all know it wasn't the riders fault, the track wasn't ready and BV promotion bottled it by hoping for the best, rather than thinking of the paying customer. Whilst it would have been disappointing, I think most people would have been more understanding if they had done that. Last night was so so disappointing, and whilst I applaud everything the promotion has done to get the stadium ready, the whole event was 2 weeks too early, you could see that from the fact they tried to cram 2 min speedway test events in on the weekend before. They really should have bitten the bullet and moved the opening date a week or so, and done it a while ago. However having announced the opening night date so early they backed themselves into a corner in the basis that the stadium was delayed in completion. Publically financed facilities, which this is, are often delayed due to red tape etc that a privately financed stadium wouldn't have. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and the future of the stadium is now dependent on what the promotion do NOW. We all know it wasn't the riders fault, the track wasn't ready and BV promotion bottled it by hoping for the best, rather than thinking of the paying customer. Whilst it would have been disappointing, I think most people would have been more understanding if they had done that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 So the riders knew the track wasn't fit before the meeting and therefore were complicit and went through the whole charade of a parade with no intention to race, yeah right! If you are right, and I doubt it given the bollox you've been struggling to spell for the last 24 hours, then the riders have badly let the fans down. I hope I'm right when I suggest you are posting crap again, otherwise for the riders to pretend that they were going to put on a show when they knew it wasn't an option is disgraceful. The riders being told by someone is not proof of an unfit track, it is only hearsay. They could only confirm this by taking to the track themselves, and were therefore obliged to attend.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) So the riders knew the track wasn't fit before the meeting and therefore were complicit and went through the whole charade of a parade with no intention to race, yeah right! If you are right, and I doubt it given the bollox you've been struggling to spell for the last 24 hours, then the riders have badly let the fans down. I hope I'm right when I suggest you are posting crap again, otherwise for the riders to pretend that they were going to put on a show when they knew it wasn't an option is disgraceful. Any luck on this press statement when Chris Harris said the track was ok to ride ? after all you did say it was in there ..when you do let us all know . As for the riders they were told the track had problems ...when they rode there practice laps it confirmed what they had been told ...it's not hard to follow ...by the way try to calm down or your get banned again Edited March 20, 2016 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) All you have done on this thread is moan and post negative bollox, its the cry wolf scenario, you are just moaning again so go away. Shovlar posted something similar about the risk associated and copped some abuse but not from me. He hadn't been moaning for the past year and while I expected the best track man in the country to get it right there was always a remote possibility of the outcome he described happening. If you want to be taken seriously stop moaning all the bleedin time! Truth hurts I'm afraid ! If pointing out flaws such as not having a track test event is moaning then guilty as charged. Edited March 20, 2016 by New Science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) is fred flange the PA spokesman? you are defending the un-defendable...Riders are booked to ride, its their duty to turn up what-ever they heard about the place....it was a bodge up-simple..you suggesting Chris Morton was un-aware of the problem? you suggesting the track curator was un-aware of the problem? they took a gamble and lost. now (for the crowd that turned up and spent loads)those people deserve a refund and a public apology...Blaming the weeks weather on British speedway page is not good enough Edited March 20, 2016 by ColinMills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Who have I defended exactly? Apart from people who weren't even there needing to be put right over some stupid claims nobody has been defended. Whichever way you look at it nobody apart from Harris comes out of this tragedy with any credit whatsoever. I wasn't in the house of commons but I know it was a crap budget!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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