BWitcher Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 It just proves the wisdom of waiting to find out the facts before making the sort of outrageous comments Correct, if only the Belle Vue promotion had done just that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Correct, if only the Belle Vue promotion had done just that. So you're suggesting what? I don't recall Belle Vue saying anything of the nature of some of the accusations made by you and others on here and which the facts now show to be untrue to those capable of being objective. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 With such a late start to the home season you have to wonder about fixture congestion later on . Will riders be available ? Also will the fans be able to afford so many meetings in such a small time period? I think there'll have to be some kind of price incentive from the club to encourage sufficient numbers for home matches 22nd of June last season we rode our fifth home fixture. If we ride our first home EL fixture against Kings Lynn on May 2nd then we are due to ride our fifth fixture on the 17th of June - amazingly ahead of last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 This is totally frustrating and must be a financial nightmare for the promoters with no income coming in. Hopefully, the full extent of the problems is now apparent and can soon be solved. At least what it does make clear is that none of what has happened has been the fault of Belle Vue. There is no way they could have been aware of the problems with the sub base and now, whatever these further defects are that have been revealed. It just proves the wisdom of waiting to find out the facts before making the sort of outrageous comments and allegations made by some after the opening meeting and the subsequent postponements I think most people know truth. There was undoubtedly issues with the track surface prior to the opening night but the promoters still went ahead knowing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I think most people know truth. There was undoubtedly issues with the track surface prior to the opening night but the promoters still went ahead knowing this It was known there were issues but what was not known was that those issues were caused by the defective base and as we know today, other issues only revealed when that base has been dug up. It is a fact that the track had been worked on and that on the Friday night came through a practice session. It still looked fine on the Saturday but unbeknown to anyone had been affected by the weather because of the hidden problems with the base. The SCB investigation even said that on the Friday the track looked as if it would come good for the Saturday. Those are the facts but you ignore them and believe whatever you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 It was known there were issues but what was not known was that those issues were caused by the defective base and as we know today, other issues only revealed when that base has been dug up. It is a fact that the track had been worked on and that on the Friday night came through a practice session. It still looked fine on the Saturday but unbeknown to anyone had been affected by the weather because of the hidden problems with the base. The SCB investigation even said that on the Friday the track looked as if it would come good for the Saturday. Those are the facts but you ignore them and believe whatever you want. The facts were simple that riders eetc and people like havy all knew that that there were problems with the track ...and that proved to be correct. these riders etc also would not have known about any defective base so there worries about the track had nothing to do with that ...if you choose to ignore then that is up to you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Perhaps the heavy plant had to manoeuvre on other parts of the track, if so, May have sunk into the racing surface and accidentally revealed more substandard areas of the base?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Perhaps the heavy plant had to manoeuvre on other parts of the track Typical, blame it on the triffids.... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Typical, blame it on the triffids.... Brilliant Rob. Don't triffids make you go blind too? Oh no, that was the meteor storm. Maybe a meteor struck the 3rd bend at the NSS and, along with the triffids, this is what is causing the ongoing issues, that and Nessie of course? And as the Jacksons once (almost) sang: Don't blame it on the sunshine Don't blame it on the moonlight Don't blame it on the good times Blame it on the triffids (I'll apologise now to the Aces fans now for a flippant post.) Edited April 22, 2016 by macca56 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 The facts were simple that riders eetc and people like havy all knew that that there were problems with the track ...and that proved to be correct. these riders etc also would not have known about any defective base so there worries about the track had nothing to do with that ...if you choose to ignore then that is up to you . So every time folk say a track has problems it means the match is defiantly off? What about Cardiff and all the other instances where the meeting went ahead despite rumours beforehand? Was there coach loads of riders etc hanging around the track in March, of course not, the speculation was sparked following the SCBs refusal at that time to issue the track cert, and Chinese wishers spread from there. I’ve spoken to the management and they thought the problem was with the shale, the top bit of the track – their bit. They didn’t think the construction company would have made the base and sub base in a different manner to the rest of the circuit and this only came out when the surface was removed. Anyway, every cloud has a silver lining. People now are mentioning Belle Vue to me and are looking forward to giving it a visit in the summer so as they say there is no bad publicity. Yes there has been a good few Craven refunds but the penalty clause cash will return that in spades. With the problems over the years and these initial cock ups from the construction company Belle Vue are well placed in offering expert advice on sorting a new track if anyone should need it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Someone on another thread asked a somewhat frivolous question - but I'll ask it seriously on the basis that nobody knows how long its going to be that the new track remains unfit!! Could BV temporarily move back into the old stadium as a last resort, to complete some of their outstanding home meetings? Even when the new stadium is 100%, and BV start playing catch-up, isn't there some sort of restriction on when speedway can take place?? Edited April 22, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 So every time folk say a track has problems it means the match is defiantly off? What about Cardiff and all the other instances where the meeting went ahead despite rumours beforehand? Was there coach loads of riders etc hanging around the track in March, of course not, the speculation was sparked following the SCBs refusal at that time to issue the track cert, and Chinese wishers spread from there. I’ve spoken to the management and they thought the problem was with the shale, the top bit of the track – their bit. They didn’t think the construction company would have made the base and sub base in a different manner to the rest of the circuit and this only came out when the surface was removed. Anyway, every cloud has a silver lining. People now are mentioning Belle Vue to me and are looking forward to giving it a visit in the summer so as they say there is no bad publicity. Yes there has been a good few Craven refunds but the penalty clause cash will return that in spades. With the problems over the years and these initial cock ups from the construction company Belle Vue are well placed in offering expert advice on sorting a new track if anyone should need it. You're wasting your time ouch, some people on here just seem to have a problem with BV having a great speedway facility and will not let it go........... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Someone on another thread asked a somewhat frivolous question - but I'll ask it seriously on the basis that nobody knows how long its going to be that the new track remains unfit!! Could BV temporarily move back into the old stadium as a last resort, to complete some of their outstanding home meetings? Even when the new stadium is 100%, and BV start playing catch-up, isn't there some sort of restriction on when speedway can take place?? As it stand the Colts are due to race next Friday with the Aces taking to track the following Monday. If this happens we will be ok fitting in all the fixtures. There is a hope to stage practice next week and a meeting of some kind on Wednesday. I'm not banking on that but admire The Aces promotion for continually setting targets for the contractors. It's incredibly frustrating for fans but I'd imagine work would move at an (even) slower pace if announcements of fixture dates then postponements where not continually in the public domain. All I do is remain hopeful for the next deadline but to keep suffering the disappointment of a call off is hard to take. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) You're wasting your time ouch, some people on here just seem to have a problem with BV having a great speedway facility and will not let it go........... I do wonder if some hope that the Belle Vue promotion can be forced out so they can get their hands on the NSS. It's unlikely but you never know with speedway. Edited April 22, 2016 by rmc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 how many away matches can a club finance with no income?belle vue must have a very understanding bank manager or deep pockets 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 how many away matches can a club finance with no income?belle vue must have a very understanding bank manager or deep pockets Let's hope the bank manager doesn't come on here then!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 how many away matches can a club finance with no income?belle vue must have a very understanding bank manager or deep pocketsGoing off last year at least 6. 20/6/15 we rode our 9th away match having only run 3 home meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Someone on another thread asked a somewhat frivolous question - but I'll ask it seriously on the basis that nobody knows how long its going to be that the new track remains unfit!! Could BV temporarily move back into the old stadium as a last resort, to complete some of their outstanding home meetings? Even when the new stadium is 100%, and BV start playing catch-up, isn't there some sort of restriction on when speedway can take place?? Don't hold your breath waiting for any constructive answer to your excellent question because ... Genuine question for anyone closely linked to Belle Vue ... Given the stock cars are still using the greyhound stadium's shale track for 2016 with holiday-Monday meetings on all of next week, 2nd May & 30th May, is it even a slightly realistic prospect that the Aces & Colts could use that track as well to clear some of their early-season fixtures if the remedial/relaying work at the new stadium forces anything longer than about a month's delay ? !! While clearly the much better availability of the new stadium could clear a fixture pile-up perfectly easily via 2 or 3 home meetings a week in mid-summer, the cashflow impact of taking part only in away meetings without home crowd-revenue for the next few weeks is going to put yet another strain on Belle Vue. ... there has been no attempt whatsoever by any of Belle Vue's apologists, excuse-makers or journalistic lackeys to answer my rather similar question posted 30 days and 375 posts before yours on this very same thread !! !! If my post is the one you were leaning back towards, then I can assure you it wasn't frivolous at that time (the Wednesday pre-Easter when Wolves, Cradley and Edinburgh were accurately planning their respective Good Fridays while Belle Vue bleated in vain that their meeting that lunchtime at home to Wolves was still on) and it remains a serious post now, just like yours deserves to be. Just don't use phrases like "botch-job" or "cock-up" in any of your comments because it gets folk like Philip Rising very upset and he questions your credibility to have any say at all ... even though there's clearly now been yet another botch-job or cock-up to force both Sunday's Colts action and Wednesday's Aces meeting to be called off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Someone on another thread asked a somewhat frivolous question - but I'll ask it seriously on the basis that nobody knows how long its going to be that the new track remains unfit!! Could BV temporarily move back into the old stadium as a last resort, to complete some of their outstanding home meetings? Even when the new stadium is 100%, and BV start playing catch-up, isn't there some sort of restriction on when speedway can take place?? 1 simple word mate, NO The place looks like a bombs hit it since the stox took it over. Not even any pits anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Ok thanks for the reply. Just thought I should ask. What about the 2nd part of the question - are there restrictions on the days that speedway can be held in the new stadium once the Aces start to play catch-up? I thought I'd read something along those lines somewhere....?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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