Reviresco Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 To do otherwise really would be a recipe for confusion and potential disaster. Totally unlike this situation then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Crazy comparison rather than what you think is a simple one !! ... if I'm buying that new house, I'd be using people who'd already built loads of other houses before to build my one ... hence I'd know (and they could show) past examples of what they'd built for others to prove they were up to doing my particular job. But how many speedway tracks have anyone from Manchester City Council built before to use as a guide to their ability to get Belle Vue's project right ? !! ... not many, and most likely none at all ... so now it does become much more appropriate for Belle Vue to have more of a guiding hand in the building of their track than I'd expect to have in the building of my house ... and, what's more, surely it's in the city council's interest to seek out Belle Vue's expertise because ultimately both the city council and the speedway club want to reflect in the same glow of a successful project. The whole project continues to stink of botch-job after cock-up after careless/reckless naivety. THE whole project? Obviously you haven't been there and are therefore not remotely qualified to make such uniformed remarks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 The management were involved in the track insomuch as they designed it, specified the materials to be used then sourced and purchased the shale. After being happy with the construction of 60%-70% of the track and almost everything of the stadium surrounding it, they forgot to keep asking continually if the last bit of the track was being constructed in the same way as the rest of the circuit. Being the idiots they are they incredibly presumed the exact same method of construction would be used. With that level of stupidity its little wonder things failed in the worse way possible, probably the biggest construction cock up in the history of man. Rant over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Crazy comparison rather than what you think is a simple one !! ... if I'm buying that new house, I'd be using people who'd already built loads of other houses before to build my one ... hence I'd know (and they could show) past examples of what they'd built for others to prove they were up to doing my particular job. But how many speedway tracks have anyone from Manchester City Council built before to use as a guide to their ability to get Belle Vue's project right ? !! ... not many, and most likely none at all ... so now it does become much more appropriate for Belle Vue to have more of a guiding hand in the building of their track than I'd expect to have in the building of my house ... and, what's more, surely it's in the city council's interest to seek out Belle Vue's expertise because ultimately both the city council and the speedway club want to reflect in the same glow of a successful project. The whole project continues to stink of botch-job after cock-up after careless/reckless naivety. The whole project a botch job???? Really? Are you having a laugh. Wait till you go and visit and then revert back to this statement. Yeh ok, bend 3&4 as been a real problem. Not long to wait now though for it to be rectified. Then all systems go. I bet we finish our home meetings before at least 2 other clubs Edited April 16, 2016 by Phil The Ace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 The management were involved in the track insomuch as they designed it, specified the materials to be used then sourced and purchased the shale. After being happy with the construction of 60%-70% of the track and almost everything of the stadium surrounding it, they forgot to keep asking continually if the last bit of the track was being constructed in the same way as the rest of the circuit. Being the idiots they are they incredibly presumed the exact same method of construction would be used. With that level of stupidity its little wonder things failed in the worse way possible, probably the biggest construction cock up in the history of man. Rant over. GOOGLE new Berlin airport ... due to open in 2010, still not able to accept flights, might even have to be knocked down and started again... that could be the biggest construction cock up in the history of man. Less than 100 yards of a speedway track ... perhaps not. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) The whole project a botch job???? Really? Are you having a laugh. Wait till you go and visit and the nets revert back to this statement. Yeh ok, bend 3&4 as been a real problem. Not long to wait now though for it to be rectified. Then all systems go. I bet we finish our home meetings before at least 2 other c Edited April 16, 2016 by poole keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 GOOGLE new Berlin airport ... due to open in 2010, still not able to accept flights, might even have to be knocked down and started again... that could be the biggest construction cock up in the history of man. Less than 100 yards of a speedway track ... perhaps not. Yes but did they accept bookings while knowing it wouldn't be running? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Yes but did they accept bookings while knowing it wouldn't be running? THE airlines did, the hotels had rooms booked, the shops were opening, the railways due to run ... it all fell apart just a few days before the official opening. It's a remarkable story, especially considering it's Germany and their capital that we are talking about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Also new Wembley stadium was I think a year late in completion and the FA Cup was changed to Cardiff to another year Also new Wembley stadium was I think a year late in completion and the FA Cup was changed to Cardiff to another year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 And that's a pain in the backside, they have to 're-grass it far to often, not enough natural light is killing the grass quickly... An oversight? Or poor design? Poorly thought through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Obviously what Wembley did wrong, and what Berlin Airport did wrong was not consult the "experts" that frequent this forum. Remember though that "X" is an unknown quantity, and "spert" is a drip under pressure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) I bet we finish our home meetings before at least 2 other clubs Not confident in making the play-off's then Phil Really hope it all gets sorted properly soon. Unlike that Tower in Pisa which still has a lean to it... Edited April 16, 2016 by macca56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 I mate of mine told me the common denominater between Belle Vue, Wembley and the Berlin airport - step forward David Gordon & Chris Morton. Christ I'm so angry!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 I'll try and make it simple. It's like you buying a new house and every day you turn up at the site and start telling the builders what to do and checking the materials. How long do you think you would be tolerated? Until money has changed hands and contracts exchanged. With some construction companies or the sub contractors they use, if you saw the quality of the construction each day you would not buy the house. A hell of a lot can be hidden and not come to light for years by which time it is too late to get anything done about it apart from forking out good money to put it right. In this case the problem has come to light early and the council is getting it rectified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) I'll try and make it simple. It's like you buying a new house and every day you turn up at the site and start telling the builders what to do and checking the materials. How long do you think you would be tolerated? This is a local authority project involving public money. There is no way that the MCC would delegate authority to a third party to control anything. I'l make it simple for you. Its the track curator who has to work on the track for 7 months of a season. If he cannot be assed to go down and oversee whats going on then he shouldn't be the track curator. Nobody worth there salt will sit back and let a private company get on with something they know little about. Its absolutely shocking, and brand new Stadium, "which alledgedly is the benchmark of british speedway" and they cannot be assed to check on what the contractors are doing. You couldn't make it up. Our old track curator put a track in, in 7 days with assistance to put in the fence poles whats BV's excuss. Edited April 16, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Yes but he left a hole on the first bend allegedly! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Yes but he left a hole on the first bend allegedly! Did he, silly boy. Hope he rectifies that as well.. Not going well oop there is it.. Edited April 16, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 I'l make it simple for you. Its the track curator who has to work on the track for 7 months of a season. If he cannot be assed to go down and oversee whats going on then he shouldn't be the track curator. Nobody worth there salt will sit back and let a private company get on with something they know little about. Its absolutely shocking, and brand new Stadium, "which alledgedly is the benchmark of british speedway" and they cannot be assed to check on what the contractors are doing. You couldn't make it up. Our old track curator put a track in, in 7 days with assistance to put in the fence poles whats BV's excuss. Yes but he left a hole on the first bend allegedly! Did he, silly boy. Hope he rectifies that as well.. Not going well oop there is it.. Is it deliberate on your part? If so then brilliant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Its going very well thank you.Fact is it will be the best speedway stadium in the country why don't you come up and see for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Its going very well thank you.Fact is it will be the best speedway stadium in the country why don't you come up and see for yourself. I might do come the play off final. You should be finished by then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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