stevebrum Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 It's the weathers fault, remember. I believe a statement is due from God claiming those in the know knew the winter forecast was set to ruin the opening night and gave warning last week. But that was ignored so all blame absolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 He is doing, he's supporting the BSPA. Those are the people who in this instance issued a statement blaming one of their members without first bothering to find out the facts. There is no way now that they can carry out an impartial investigation. The facts are pretty clear ..Belle Vue try to run a meeting when the track unfit for racing ..they have admitted that themselves ..what else is there to know ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Don't talk rubbish. This wasn't a normal situation. This was a new stadium. It was a part of the contract that the building company would build the track and Belle Vue have no authority over the contractors until the stadium is handed over to them. They couldn't tell the contractors what or, what not, to do. The track curator still has an obligation to oversee the laying on the track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 BSPA Chairman Keith Chapman said: This is a massive setback to the sport in this country and it can have a negative impact on every other club throughout the UK. It was down to the promotion to ensure the meeting went ahead under the supervision of the SCB referee and failed. It's an embarrassment and the rest of the sport in this country could be hit by it". A thorough investigation has already started. _____________________________________________________________________ Says a bloke who cancelled a meeting at Kings Lynn against Lakeside because, although he had 72 hours to do so, couldn't identify and fix a blown fuse. Pity there wasn't 'a thorough investigation' over that incident isn't it Chapman. Pot bleedin' kettle if ever I've seen it. Two-faced tw@t! Wasn't there also a problem with an EL Best Pairs meeting at King's Lynn. I also must have missed similar investigations and critical BSPA statements about the ELRC at Coventry, both BSPA shared events. Perhaps it only merits SCB and BSPA investigations if Belle Vue are involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) His could he oversee it if Belle Vue had no control over the contractors. Maybe they should had control in the first place ..did the contractors tell them to race the meeting ...did they not look at the track and just thought they had done a good job . Edited March 21, 2016 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 tickets were sold to public travelling miles, with no guarantee they could fulfil there obligation..simple 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Don't talk rubbish. This wasn't a normal situation. This was a new stadium. It was a part of the contract that the building company would build the track and Belle Vue have no authority over the contractors until the stadium is handed over to them. They couldn't tell the contractors what or, what not, to do. So why was Doc Bridget and Colin Meredith working on the track up to Wednesday but not afterwards ? He is doing, he's supporting the BSPA. Those are the people who in this instance issued a statement blaming one of their members without first bothering to find out the facts. There is no way now that they can carry out an impartial investigation. So if i support the BSPA, Belle Vue or the BSPA and Belle Vue in this issue i couldn't be accepted to have an opinion, as opposed to you, a Belle Vue supporter, who obviously doesn't have access to the facts. Oh Dear. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Mr Gordon - I feel I must retract all the grief I given you and Mr Morton over the farce of last Saturday and I apologise profusely. You are quite right in saying you are NOT to blame. Of course it must be ME - having too many expectations and belief that the pair of you should have been given the credit of being able to provide a product which you claimed you could do. At the end of the day, perhaps you should consider going into selling double glazing - although it's a tough world out there guys and feel you would fail there too. Sleep well ! Sorry, any chance of a quote for the re-glazing of my conservatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 The facts are pretty clear ..Belle Vue try to run a meeting when the track unfit for racing ..they have admitted that themselves ..what else is there to know ? I suspect virtually every track has done that at some point. They knew there had been problems with bends 3 and 4 but successfully tested them on the Friday after the contractors had finished working on it. We now know the problem lies with the sub base so it could be that affected the track during Saturday. None of the riders seemed to be giving particular attention to those bends during their track inspection so maybe the problem wasn't apparent until they rode it. In fact if you watch the beginning of the practice rides it is difficult to see the riders having any problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) I suspect virtually every track has done that at some point. They knew there had been problems with bends 3 and 4 but successfully tested them on the Friday after the contractors had finished working on it. We now know the problem lies with the sub base so it could be that affected the track during Saturday. None of the riders seemed to be giving particular attention to those bends during their track inspection so maybe the problem wasn't apparent until they rode it. In fact if you watch the beginning of the practice rides it is difficult to see the riders having any problem. Not days before the meeting they haven't ..they were advised in the week that they should ride the meeting as the track was not ready ...they then try to run it anyhow ......Gordon himself and the riders have said the track was not fit for purpose . Edited March 21, 2016 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 So why was Doc Bridget and Colin Meredith working on the track up to Wednesday but not afterwards ? So if i support the BSPA, Belle Vue or the BSPA and Belle Vue in this issue i couldn't be accepted to have an opinion, as opposed to you, a Belle Vue supporter, who obviously doesn't have access to the facts. Oh Dear. Oh Dear, seems a bit childish for you. How about an answer to my question, who was it who advised them not to run the meeting and when did I say you couldn't have an opinion? Orion made the point that you normally support promoters, my point was that it is not necessarily individual promoters but the BSPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Oh Dear, seems a bit childish for you. How about an answer to my question, who was it who advised them not to run the meeting and when did I say you couldn't have an opinion? Orion made the point that you normally support promoters, my point was that it is not necessarily individual promoters but the BSPA. How about an answer to my first sentence about Meredith and Bridger. I am naturally going to back the BSPA, not because of my previous connections, but the relevant facts of the matter in this case were caused by Belle Vue's decisions, and not the BSPA. It would be childish not to realise that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Somebody already has. Par for the course I suppose.. They said it as a joke or are you really that stupid!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notenoughnerve Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I still think that track looked ok. On Saturday through a cider haze it seemed a disaster... . . But in the cold light of day, we still have super new stadium rather than the dog track. We have a track that looked so wide as to encourage great racing, and this is just one more setback that these people have had to deal with. They've got through worse than this, and next week, or the week after, great speedway will take place in Manchester in modern facilities. It seems criticism comes with a sense of glee from certain quarters. Some of the reactions are way over the top 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 How about an answer to my first sentence about Meredith and Bridger. I am naturally going to back the BSPA, not because of my previous connections, but the relevant facts of the matter in this case were caused by Belle Vue's decisions, and not the BSPA. It would be childish not to realise that. I don't know that Meredith didn't work on the track after Wednesday. I do know that people were working on it on Thursday morning but I couldn't specifically say if Colin was one of them. Now how about an answer to your claim that they are advised not to hold the meeting? As for taking sides I think the wisest course would be for all of us to wait until all the facts are known but what is clear is that the BSPA have shown their lack of judgement by public condemming the club without being in possession of all of the facts and then expecting anyone to believe they can carry out an impartial investigation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 It seems criticism comes with a sense of glee from certain quarters. Some of the reactions are way over the top ...especially on the pro-Belle Vue side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I don't know that Meredith didn't work on the track after Wednesday. I do know that people were working on it on Thursday morning but I couldn't specifically say if Colin was one of them. Now how about an answer to your claim that they are advised not to hold the meeting? As for taking sides I think the wisest course would be for all of us to wait until all the facts are known but what is clear is that the BSPA have shown their lack of judgement by public condemming the club without being in possession of all of the facts and then expecting anyone to believe they can carry out an impartial investigation. The facts are pretty clear now don't you think... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 You've alluded more than once that they were advised not to go ahead with the meeting. Can you tell us who by, what was said and when this took place? I think you're right about the statement being framed as it was for legal reasons but nothing to do with actions against them in the small claims court but action they may have to take against others. . If the statement was framed that way for legal reasons they made a hopeless job of it. Look at the way it's worded; its links a tabloid newspaper. It talks about "furious " David Gordon who "hit back " at critics and they were "locked in " discussions. Those sort of expressions might sell extra copies of the Sun or Daily Star but I can assure you they won't cut any ice before a court. If it was it was done with legal claims in mind it should have been on the lines of :- "On behalf of Belle Vue Speedwáy we would like to acknowledge the loyal fans who came to support the opening night of our National a Speedway Stsdium . We are very sorry and deeply regret that the opening night was not the great occasion we had all hoped and of course we pay tribute to, and apologise to the many fans that were disappointed. For legal reasons we cannot give full information at this stage but inquiries are being undertaken and it is Belle Vue Speedways contention that the fault lay with a contractor. Our investigations are continuing but we will keep our fans and supporters fully updated as the full information unfolds. In the meantime we thank you all for your patience and will be advising on refunds within the next few days" There, how does that sound ? It protects the legal position and thanks fans at the same time , plus it's something I have just done off the top of my head. With a bit of thought Gordon and/or a proper press officer could hav e improv ed on it without shooting themselves in the foot . Is that reasonable ? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notenoughnerve Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I still think that track looked ok. On Saturday through a cider haze it seemed a disaster... . . But in the cold light of day, we still have super new stadium rather than the dog track. We have a track that looked so wide as to encourage great racing, and this is just one more setback that these people have had to deal with. They've got through worse than this, and next week, or the week after, great speedway will take place in Manchester in modern facilities. It seems criticism comes with a sense of glee from certain quarters. Some of the reactions are way over the top 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJgVR2yPHBc&app=desktop Edited March 21, 2016 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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