TheScotsman Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Scary - I've agreed with and Liked the last 3 or 4 of George's posts. Time for a lie down. Or another G&T. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 First time I've seen a team bend the rules for such a poor rider though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Really don't understand why all these points are being directed in my direction.... Not every post on this forum is a response to your original post. It was actually yourself who quoted my post I have simply replied to the posts you have directed my way since…. Edited January 29, 2016 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 First time I've seen a team bend the rules for such a poor rider though Rye House in 1988 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Plenty of choice - Ipswich have even signed a spare just in case. wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 What other reserve rider has changed nationality SH none that I can see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Not every post on this forum is a response to your original post. It was actually yourself who quoted my post I have simply replied to the posts you have directed my way since…. Twice you've quoted my post, so usually that means the reply is to the poster. Hence my comment. Scary - I've agreed with and Liked the last 3 or 4 of George's posts. Time for a lie down. Or another G&T. What's even scarier is .... I think I join you. Mine's a double Buckfast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 With ice & slice or just neck it out of the bottle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Twice you've quoted my post, so usually that means the reply is to the poster. Hence my comment. Wit? write a point, someone then quotes and questions the point asking about young riders, explain rules state riders don’t have to be young, the reply then moves onto “dinny pick on Edinburgh”, explain Edinburgh aren’t being picked on ,then move onto “why direct your post at me” despite continuing to quote posts and make counter points, all the while kind of agreeing but still trying to make the point of "aye they are kind of bending it a bit, I kind of agree, but dinny pick on them, just dinny". I will give up on this one, my brain doesn’t spin the way it has to in order to understand this logic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 There is no loophole in the rule, you can argue about spirit of the rule all you want but vitually any way you could think of changing the rule to make him ineligible would rule out at least one other rider signed by another team and the rules are the same for everyone. All the other number 7's are born in the uk. If you check the rider index on the bspa site you will see. So who is this other rider then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 "Has to have raced NL prior to 2016 and hold a British passport". How is Mitchell Davey any different to Bradley Wilson-Dean? BWD has a British passport too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Pretty sure BWD has a NZ passport but came in on a 5 NL ave because his parents were British and that loophole has been closed hence why he has to ride PL with a 5 ave so does not qualify for NL any more and only people with British passports are able to ride in it so if Mitch gets in on a PL 3 ave his NL ave will be three also lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 With ice & slice or just neck it out of the bottle? Out the neck please and a bit of whatever sparkafag is on please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 "Has to have raced NL prior to 2016 and hold a British passport". How is Mitchell Davey any different to Bradley Wilson-Dean? BWD has a British passport too. Not sure where you are getting this from, as I thought the rule for a 2016 PL No. 7 was: 'Every PL team has to track a British rider that is eligible for the National League in the No. 7 berth on a three-point average'? BWD isn't riding as a No. 7 on a three-point average in 2016, so there is no comparison with Mitchell Davey. BWD starts 2016 as a 'new' foreign rider on an assessed 5.00? Pretty sure BWD has a NZ passport but came in on a 5 NL ave because his parents were British and that loophole has been closed hence why he has to ride PL with a 5 ave so does not qualify for NL any more and only people with British passports are able to ride in it so if Mitch gets in on a PL 3 ave his NL ave will be three also lol Agreed. BWD was admitted to the NL in 2015 on UK Patriality, as he did not have a UK Passport, and therefore was awarded a 5.00 NL Assessed Average, rather than a 3.00 which would have applied if he was a UK Passport holder. For 2016, UK Patriality does not apply for admittance to ride in the NL and all riders have to be UK Passport holders with all 'new' riders awarded a 3.00 Assessed Average to start the season. As the Patriality 'loop-hole' has been closed for 2016, BWD has been re-classified as 'NL ineligible' and that is why he has had to start on a 5.00 'new' foreign rider PL Assessed Average, rather than a 'NL eligible' 3.00 PL Assessed Average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) All the other number 7's are born in the uk. If you check the rider index on the bspa site you will see. So who is this other rider then? except you cannot use that as criteria as it would rule out anyone else not born here; even if they had lived here all their days and if the criteria was lived here 3 years or more he has done that as well. The speedway authorities have no say on who is a citizen and would look silly if they did that. No idea who the rider was, it was reported in the local newspaper back in december. May just have been a slow news week although I would guess edinburgh wouldn't keep all their eggs in one basket and at least asked a couple of others so happy to believe it. Edited January 29, 2016 by scotchopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Not sure where you are getting this from, as I thought the rule for a 2016 PL No. 7 was: 'Every PL team has to track a British rider that is eligible for the National League in the No. 7 berth on a three-point average'? . Someone said if you word the rule to force out Davey that'll you're force another rider out. I just worded he rule to force out Davey but not effect anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) "Has to have raced NL prior to 2016 and hold a British passport". How is Mitchell Davey any different to Bradley Wilson-Dean? BWD has a British passport too. Someone said if you word the rule to force out Davey that'll you're force another rider out. I just worded he rule to force out Davey but not effect anyone else. Yes it would if there was a new British discovery who had never previously ridden in the NL, but was considered good enough to start directly in the PL. Edited January 29, 2016 by cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Someone said if you word the rule to force out Davey that'll you're force another rider out. I just worded he rule to force out Davey but not effect anyone else. So your rule is that you must have raced NL before? So if someone new comes in he is not allowed to go straight into PL. Oh aye simple work around, he could race NL this season and be eligible for next season or even later this season. So if he can be eligible next season why make him ineligible for this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 So your rule is that you must have raced NL before? So if someone new comes in he is not allowed to go straight into PL. Oh aye simple work around, he could race NL this season and be eligible for next season or even later this season. So if he can be eligible next season why make him ineligible for this season? will he be eligible to ride nl or pl as no one really knows until he gets his passport and the powers that be give him the ok to do, so what will his ave for nl be if he is eligible or will they give him the same as BWD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) will he be eligible to ride nl or pl as no one really knows until he gets his passport and the powers that be give him the ok to do, so what will his ave for nl be if he is eligible or will they give him the same as BWD If he gets his passport as a British citizen he should be eligible for both leagues on 3.00. As others have posted above BWD is not a British citizen and comes in on patriality rules which are different, i.e. 5.00. I'd be very surprised if he didn't get a passport just a question of how long and if he gets it in time for the season. Edited January 30, 2016 by scotchopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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