Hunters Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 How did the news on Spiller come about? He will be missed. Perhaps he will come in mid season when exams finish. Delighted to have Ben at No 1 he has been my first choice for some time but I feared he would be at Belle Vue or Stoke. I'm still convinced it will be a 36 point limit. Looking at it mathematically, as there looks to be two extra teams an additional 72 points have to be found even at 36. By setting the limit at 36 against the standard of 42 releases on average 6 points each for the existing 10 teams, a total of 60. Still 12 short of requirement but can be made up of four new reserves at 3pts for the new teams. However if you go to a 38 limit the requirement moves up to 76 (2x38) and the release comes down to 40 (10x4). Now the gap increase to 36 and I just don't see how that can be made up. If the limit was 40 then the gap is a huge 60 points. Certainly there can be some 'better' additions like Ollie Greenwood but there will also be losses probably Adam Ellis and BWD for starters. Anything other than 36 will almost certainly result in some teams having to come in under the points limit which defeats the basic premise of a Level Playing Field which was the foundation of points limits for many years in all leagues and most countries. My team is one of the two or three with most to gain from a higher limit, arguably the most with the highest closing GSA so I can object to a higher than 36 limit without fear of bias. The interest of the NL and the competitive competition is far more important than the interest of one or two teams. We don't need another Scunthorpe 2014. If the limit is raised then a rule similar to that introduced by the EL a few years ago should be applied. Only one rider over 8.0 per team so that the few available are evenly spread. Now listen to the pot hunters rail with spurious arguments! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Can't recall any clubs officials asking for a 36 limit. Most clubs I ve seen speak about it have said 38-40 and I assume that the club's will vote on it so genuinely can't see it being 36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Looking at the Tweet for the NL speedway it offers a 38 point or a 38.1 to 40 so i cant see where there is a 36 point limit comes from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 It does not come from anywhere just my view on what it needs to be to allow for two new teams and the likely consequences of the various other potential limits. I find it difficult to believe that the clubs have not worked this out for themselves unless there are other rule changes in the pipeline to open the league up to other British riders who are not young development youngsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 well i guess its up to the ones that are in control as the way i look at it from a supporter the higher the number the better the teams the harder the racing will be and then bigger improvements in the league, and i think this is the problem we need to bridge the gap between us and the rest of europe step up in every league. Just my thoughts but maybe i am wrong but i find that hard to believe lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 well i guess its up to the ones that are in control as the way i look at it from a supporter the higher the number the better the teams the harder the racing will be and then bigger improvements in the league, and i think this is the problem we need to bridge the gap between us and the rest of europe step up in every league. Just my thoughts but maybe i am wrong but i find that hard to believe lol. if the limit was higher teams such as eastbourne, cradley etc would sweep up all the best riders. how would that make the league better when an eastbourne team with a 40 point average are going against someone like buxton with a team average of 34? it doesnt make it better. it needs to be lower to make it more even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 If you take the finishing team average of last year's 10 teams and add them together you get 418.29 Two new teams to come in need another 14 riders (at, say, min 3 points each) = 42 418.29 + 42 = 460.29 divide by 12 teams = 38.36 But that doesn't allow for anyone coming back in like Oliver Greenwood or anyone who finished last year on the injured list needing to come back. On the other side it doesn't allow for anyone quitting the NL. But I'd say overall 38.5 or slightly above seems about right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 If you take the finishing team average of last year's 10 teams and add them together you get 418.29 Two new teams to come in need another 14 riders (at, say, min 3 points each) = 42 418.29 + 42 = 460.29 divide by 12 teams = 38.36 But that doesn't allow for anyone coming back in like Oliver Greenwood or anyone who finished last year on the injured list needing to come back. On the other side it doesn't allow for anyone quitting the NL. But I'd say overall 38.5 or slightly above seems about right. Jacobs, Morris, Nielsen (et al) could all be possibly looking at NL spots too if they don't get PL places, which looks likely for most of them, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Jacobs, Morris, Nielsen (et al) could all be possibly looking at NL spots too if they don't get PL places, which looks likely for most of them, sadly. Is Jacobs definitely riding this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Jacobs, Morris, Nielsen (et al) could all be possibly looking at NL spots too if they don't get PL places, which looks likely for most of them, sadly. It would be a shame if the above / similar riders don't get PL places but does that mean they should be able to return to the safety of the NL? With changes to limits of any kind there will always be casualties. Its important to look forward and keep the NL a competitive league from top to bottom rather than fiddle the limits to accommodate a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 No one confirmed spiller won't come over, he is going somewhere why else would they have had British race wear (jackets and hats) made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 well i guess its up to the ones that are in control as the way i look at it from a supporter the higher the number the better the teams the harder the racing will be and then bigger improvements in the league, and i think this is the problem we need to bridge the gap between us and the rest of europe step up in every league. Just my thoughts but maybe i am wrong but i find that hard to believe lol. Nothing wrong with wanting better teams we would all like it but your missing the point. Where are the better riders coming from to fill ALL 12 of those teams evenly? Without them higher points limits mean some teams coming in much lower than others. Therefused sees that point and I am sure few if any of us would want to see that. The availability of suitably able riders and the points limit are interdependent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Look at riders who had no club last term. Then there is the likes of Simon Lambert who scored well in both pl and El last term but seems to have lost his spot at both leicester and Peterborough. That's before you take into consideration any riders looking to return to the sport after a year or 2 out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven101 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Id take nielsen at eastbourne his average is mid to high 8, would be a quality no.1 imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 It would be a shame if the above / similar riders don't get PL places but does that mean they should be able to return to the safety of the NL? With changes to limits of any kind there will always be casualties. Its important to look forward and keep the NL a competitive league from top to bottom rather than fiddle the limits to accommodate a few. What is the alternative to someone like Ashley Morris? He has no EL spot (currently), no PL spot (unless he is signed by Workington (who look like going with Campton) Somerset (can't see it), Plymouth (!) or Redcar (possible) which I consider to be main possibilities. Whilst he made really strong progress at the end of last year, and I am sure he would prefer not to drop down again, but getting rides, keeping race sharp and putting yourself out there has to be far better than nothing at all. Then again, maybe he has a team spot already lined up, and I am barking up the wrong tree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well we will all know but this time next week whats going on, I think split the difference make it 39 then its not 38 and not 40 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 What is the alternative to someone like Ashley Morris? He has no EL spot (currently), no PL spot (unless he is signed by Workington (who look like going with Campton) Somerset (can't see it), Plymouth (!) or Redcar (possible) which I consider to be main possibilities. Whilst he made really strong progress at the end of last year, and I am sure he would prefer not to drop down again, but getting rides, keeping race sharp and putting yourself out there has to be far better than nothing at all. Then again, maybe he has a team spot already lined up, and I am barking up the wrong tree! Whilst I agree that there are issues within the sport and that the PL/EL do not do enough to support British riders (Brit point reduction?) is the NL the place to return to keep race sharp whilst waiting for a PL place? Given that most would not be able to double up it would be deeply frustrating to see riders start the season, get a PL call and leave a NL club in the lurch. I very much doubt there are many that would show the loyalty to the NL that Adam Ellis did this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Looks like Brad has got a place next year accoriding to some of his facebook post but it would be nice for him to show his face at Eastbourne at some stage during the year. Any news on any other riders for the 2016 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Looks like Brad has got a place next year accoriding to some of his facebook post but it would be nice for him to show his face at Eastbourne at some stage during the year. Any news on any other riders for the 2016 team. Don't expect anything until next week now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 You seem to know a lot are you part of the management Alex? Or have a connection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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