Eastbourne 2016

[Alex2000]

Having Jack Parkinson-Blackburn guesting for Steve Jones certainly strengthens Buxton

Edit don't worry I found it. Strange Buxton haven't said anything though. Edited May 1, 2016 by Al3x200

[gee jay]

4 or 5 hrs of showers,light rain or heavy rain from 11 till 3 doesn't sound good. wish i knew what the track is like now so will it take any more rain if it does come or will it be off with the first shower. i have to decide by 11 if we're taking a chance but after a wasted trip tp eastbourne and mildenhall last year and already knotching up manchester it's unlikely..

[Hunters]

Can somebody enlighten me on the rules for Green sheet Average calculations for the NL? I am still thinking along EL lines of the last 28 matches rolling average with the last 4 home and 4 away for newcomers.

 

I notice that Cradley have become the first team to complete 4 league matches this season and the new Averages have Luke Chessell at 10.00 despite starting under 6. Surely this is a mistake.

The only other conclusion is that they are using this years results only but even then three of the 4 matches were at home. If this is so it will be a complete farce as his team could redeclare leaving him out and bringing in a genuine 10.00 man.

[gazzac]

I may be wrong but if you redeclare doesn't it still have to be within the original team building total as well?

[Hunters]

I obviously don't know the rules but I thought it was like for like.

[Ben91]

Odd situation at Buxton today if the meeting had gone ahead.

 

Buxton were without injured Steven Jones and should have been using R/R for him.

 

However at the last minute Buxton decided to rest Ben Hopwood, and use R/R for him, thus allowing them to greatly strengthen up and use Jack Parkinson-Blackburn as a guest for Jones.

 

Now the rules say you can use a facility at any time, not just because the rider is injured. e.g. if the rider has school or work commitments...So Buxton could legally have said Ben Hopwood was at work and couldn't ride.......Yet a fully fit Ben Hopwood was in the pits with the Buxton team!!

 

Technically no cheating, but surely this is shocking behaviour by Buxton, just resting a rider in order to strengthen the team with a much better guest?

 

Perhaps Hopwood hadn't got any equipment to ride? If he's blown an engine etc and waiting for it back or a new one then he's no good without a bike to race on. The NL isn't full of flush riders either so no guarantees a team mate would be able to lend him a bike.

Edited May 1, 2016 by Ben91

[Islander15]

Can somebody enlighten me on the rules for Green sheet Average calculations for the NL? I am still thinking along EL lines of the last 28 matches rolling average with the last 4 home and 4 away for newcomers.

 

I notice that Cradley have become the first team to complete 4 league matches this season and the new Averages have Luke Chessell at 10.00 despite starting under 6. Surely this is a mistake.

The only other conclusion is that they are using this years results only but even then three of the 4 matches were at home. If this is so it will be a complete farce as his team could redeclare leaving him out and bringing in a genuine 10.00 man.

 

Averages are calculated using this seasons results only! Averages are first issued after 4 league meetings (irrespective of home and away ratio) and then every month after that.

[gazzac]

That seems crazy, will get rider's like Chessell on an inflated average only just short of the likes of Adam Ellis, seems too few matches to get a true average, especially as he's only done one away!

[Islander15]

That seems crazy, will get rider's like Chessell on an inflated average only just short of the likes of Adam Ellis, seems too few matches to get a true average, especially as he's only done one away!

The number of meetings used to be more and there used to be a home/away ratio. But you just got clubs fixing the fixture list so that their brilliant 3.00 reserve didn't get a new average and he kept taking 7 rides well into June/July. So they reduced the number of meetings.

[gazzac]

The number of meetings used to be more and there used to be a home/away ratio. But you just got clubs fixing the fixture list so that their brilliant 3.00 reserve didn't get a new average and he kept taking 7 rides well into June/July. So they reduced the number of meetings.

Fair point, I expect it'll even out throughout the season . Although whatever systems used don't think it'll have any effect on our reserves at the moment!

Edited May 1, 2016 by gazzac

[Alex2000]

Course it was a tactical move to strengthen Buxton, not that it matters because we have to go back when they won't be able to do that again later this year. All they needed was for PB to have a bad afternoon to look like complete idiots personally I'd have stuck the way it was as they had a chance of beating us anyway.

[Pete Greenwood]

Rumour has it Buxton told Ben his services were no longer required after his showing at Coventry .

[Heathen1984]

Gazzac, Chessell may have only rode one meeting away but to be fair to him he did get paid 10 against the best team in the league, obviously his average will come down but deserves the average at the moment

[gazzac]

Gazzac, Chessell may have only rode one meeting away but to be fair to him he did get paid 10 against the best team in the league, obviously his average will come down but deserves the average at the moment

I wasn't having a go at Luke, was just thinking that 4 matches was a little short to get a true average, not sure what the implication would be if he or a rider similar had a really good run in the last month and ended up on a 10 point average, could make it harder to get a team next year if it was thought to be a falsely high average.

[Hunters]

The number of meetings used to be more and there used to be a home/away ratio. But you just got clubs fixing the fixture list so that their brilliant 3.00 reserve didn't get a new average and he kept taking 7 rides well into June/July. So they reduced the number of meetings.

That is fine for newcomers and with a 3.00 average but to apply it to riders with an existing average built up over many matches seems ridiculous. I wonder who thought that one up.

 

I notice that subject to any further rain offs Buxton will now ride all their first 4 League matches away. This must surely produce a lower average for many of them. If then they are injured the guest will be at a lower average than should be whereas if Chessell (In this instance) was injured a 10 point guest could be used instead of low sixes.

 

So far re declarations have been injury driven at I O W & Eastbourne or availability at Rye House & Buxton but I can see a lot of manipulation ahead.

Maybe the rumours about Ben Hopwood yesterday are right ! It would have been his 4th League meeting and his average for the first three has already dropped to 7.2. This could well mean Jake Mudgeway (7.62) not being able to come in when his passport issue is resolved.

[TurnTwo]

Buxton are way under the limit anyway so it doesn't matter

[Islander15]

I wasn't having a go at Luke, was just thinking that 4 matches was a little short to get a true average, not sure what the implication would be if he or a rider similar had a really good run in the last month and ended up on a 10 point average, could make it harder to get a team next year if it was thought to be a falsely high average.

Even if a rider ended the season impressively, his average uses his scores all season long (not just the last 4 meetings). So it would even itself out and a strong finish might make himself look more attractive by teams thinking he could maintain that form.

[Jayne]

Buxton are way under the limit anyway so it doesn't matter

Exactly so no worries on that score regarding what the riders score or don't as the case may be.

[gazzac]

Even if a rider ended the season impressively, his average uses his scores all season long (not just the last 4 meetings). So it would even itself out and a strong finish might make himself look more attractive by teams thinking he could maintain that form.

I suppose I ought to have a proper read of the rules! One tries to put logic to speedway rules but I suppose having tried to do that for the last 16 years I should learn my lesson! Although it does seem odd to have your first average done on possibly 4 home meetings and your end of season average taken across the season if that's the rule.Probably will be different next year anyway I expect.

Edited May 2, 2016 by gazzac

[Jayne]

I suppose I ought to have a proper read of the rules! One tries to put logic to speedway rules but I suppose having tried to do that for the last 16 years I should learn my lesson! Although it does seem odd to have your first average done on possibly 4 home meetings and your end of season average taken across the season if that's the rule.Probably will be different next year anyway I expect.

Gazzac it used to be three home and three away but it was felt that was too long with the way the fixtures were. Some teams weren't getting new averages on that basis until half way or more into the season. It was changed a couple of years ago and has obviously reduced the time a rider can spend at reserve (having seven rides if they are scoring well) if they are outscoring their team mates.