Alex2000 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) We still don't know if Brennan can ride so it's him/ Powell I would think. And let's not forget Mason now on a 6 something Edited November 1, 2015 by Alex2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Charlie Powell rode a couple of meetings for Birmingham this year and did well, but left, and the story was that Eastie were keeping him to less than three matches to keep his average at 3 for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 If BWD goes into the PL on an assessed 5 next year then other NL teams should be outraged that he was allowed in the NL this year. If he's not British he's not eligible. If he is racing as a Brit then he should be eligible for a PL spot on a 3 point average next year. Not sour grapes at all btw, think he's a good rider but rules are rules and all that. But Ben this is Speedway and British Speedway at that, the rules change on a whim and sometimes during a meeting it's bloody farcical.Though I agree if BWD or any rider qualifies to ride in NL then that's it the decision is made you can't a few months later say he's ineligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 The SCB and BSPA seem to have a problem, They have made a rule but it does not cover them either way, BWD has ridden in the Nl and should go into the PL on a 3, he is box office at 3 at 3 pointer and will bring the crowd in to see him ride, He had an ACU licence for 2 years, This is Why British speedway is going down hill because someone wont do anything for the good of the sport. BWD may never come back to race for anyone in the UK, again British speedway will shoot its self in the foot, British Speedway, Load, Fire, Aim. when it should be Load aim fire. LOL (just in case someone from the BSPA does not get that Joke). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Maybe he won't come back next year but if we go PL 2017 come back then! By then wood and whoever else we find will be ready to step up so BWD and Wood could make a decent lower order PL team in 2017? Nothing to say we will ever move up but I think a certain promoter might get bored staying in one place after a while? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Does seem unlikely he will get a place in the PL if made to go in on a 5 point average when every team will be signing riders around his ability on a 3. Sadly there are always riders who fall through the cracks when rules are changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Does seem unlikely he will get a place in the PL if made to go in on a 5 point average when every team will be signing riders around his ability on a 3. Sadly there are always riders who fall through the cracks when rules are changed. AFAIK the rules haven't been changed but the powers that be would seem to be manipulating them as and when they wish.I've never seen BWD ride except on YouTube and I have no affiliation with Eastbourne whatsoever But if he is British enough to ride at NL level then he's British enough to go into the PL on a 3pt average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 AFAIK the rules haven't been changed but the powers that be would seem to be manipulating them as and when they wish. I've never seen BWD ride except on YouTube and I have no affiliation with Eastbourne whatsoever But if he is British enough to ride at NL level then he's British enough to go into the PL on a 3pt average. https://youtu.be/jEwpEpp3fQs His race with shanes earlier this season. Best meeting this season I have been to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Cracking race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Eastbourne Bradley Wilson-Dean9.83 Ben Hopwood 8.00 Marc Owen7.25 Daniel Spiller6.63 George Wood5.90 Richard Andrews5.18 Kelsey Dugard4.49 Niall Strudwick3.00 47.28 Our final averages. Highest in the league by the looks overall. Quite some work to do now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven101 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Hopwood 8 Andrews 5.18 Wood 5.90 Chessell 5.88 Spiller 6.63 Spiller 3 Brennan or powell 3 depending on rules for tom 37.59 Sorted ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 AFAIK the rules haven't been changed but the powers that be would seem to be manipulating them as and when they wish. I've never seen BWD ride except on YouTube and I have no affiliation with Eastbourne whatsoever But if he is British enough to ride at NL level then he's British enough to go into the PL on a 3pt average. Not necessarily it depends on if he was racing in the NL under partiality grounds or as a British Passport holder. If it is the former then yes he would be a 5.00 in the PL whilst the latter would be a 3.00 in the PL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Not necessarily it depends on if he was racing in the NL under partiality grounds or as a British Passport holder. If it is the former then yes he would be a 5.00 in the PL whilst the latter would be a 3.00 in the PL. The 3.00 and 5.00 pt rule applies in the NL, not the PL. This is the rule as stated in SCB Regulations regarding riders new to the PL and their averages: 18.6 RIDERS MATCH AVERAGES (see SR 16.2 for Definitions) and GRADINGS 18.6.1 Riders new to Premier League racing are categorised as follows: Cat 1: Riders with an “end of the previous season’s published average” in the Polish Ekstraliga or the Swedish Elitserien of above 6.00 points and a Rider subject to a Certificate of Sponsorship Cat 2: Riders with an “end of the previous season’s published average” in the Polish Ekstraliga or Swedish Elitserien of 6.00 and below plus ALL other Riders riding currently in any Professional Speedway League, Cat 3a: Riders not riding in a Professional Speedway League Cat 3b: Commonwealth or USA (to a maximum of 4 each season) Riders new to British Speedway Cat 4: Riders who have ridden in the National Development League as an Amateur 18.6.2 The Assessed MA's for new Riders to the PL racing is: Cat 1 8.00 Cat 2 7.00 Cat 3a 5.00 Cat 3b 7.00 Cat 4 3.00 Can you point me to a regulation that states that there is a difference between a rider with a British passport and a rider who has patriality ? If not, Wilson-Dean's PL average is a 3.00. Or is it the case that the BSPA are attempting to make things up and ignore their own rule book again. Shades of Len Silver's insistence that Daniel Spiller came in to the NL on a 5.00, despite the fact that he was a British passport holder and had not ridden in the NL. Edited November 5, 2015 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Comes under cat 4 or cat 3b hence why they have given him a 5 which is met in the middle of the 3 or the 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I do not think Ethan or Tom come into the reckoning at least until July, The team must surely be:- 1 B Hopwood 2 G Cottham 3 G Wood 4 R Andrews 5 D Spiller 6 K Dugard 7 C Powell Comes to 37.9 My only doubt is Cottham but where else can we find somebody under 4.8? No good hoping to take somebody else's rider. It will be a competitive side with a lot of development potential. Initially quite a bit weaker than this year but apart from Mildenhall everyone else is going to have to size down possibly to the 38 mark. If the number of teams increase next year I can see 36.0 again and a new set of problems. If come July we are having problems at reserve than no doubt Tom will get a chance but Ethan not until 2017 I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Comes under cat 4 or cat 3b hence why they have given him a 5 which is met in the middle of the 3 or the 7 He can only be category 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Cottham looked good riding after a meeting and I forgot about him until you said. Maybe he will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 What passport does he hold Alan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 What passport does he hold Alan? No idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Comes under cat 4 or cat 3b hence why they have given him a 5 which is met in the middle of the 3 or the 7 He can only be category 4. Let's look at this logically- Cat 1 does not apply (averages) and Cat 2 probably does not apply (on the basis that the National League is not a Professional Speedway League) Cat 3b refers to riders "new to British Speedway" - so that's not the case is it ? Now, this is where Speedway rules are poorly drafted because 3a and 4 overlap. Cat 4 is clear in that it applies to riders who have riden in the National Development League, (which is not a Professional Speedway League?) Cat 3a applies to riders not riding in a Professional Speedway League (Have we established that the National Development League is not a Professional Speedway League?) It would therefore appear that Cat 3a can apply to riders who have riden in the National Development League as well as them being classified as a Cat 4. You take your choice.... Confusing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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