lucifer sam Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 What rule book? Where is this said rule book that keeps getting refered too? It's time for change. Rick Frost and the coventry management were spot on. There was a change over the winter. Sadly, the last AGM took place before that, so we're still effectively running the old regime's rules. Buster had already indicated he wants speedway to be about four riders over four laps, rather than overcomplicated rules. Let's see what Buster, Rob G and co come up with this winter. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 There was a change over the winter. Sadly, the last AGM took place before that, so we're still effectively running the old regime's rules. Buster had already indicated he wants speedway to be about four riders over four laps, rather than overcomplicated rules. Let's see what Buster, Rob G and co come up with this winter. All the best Rob lets see then if Rob G is a man of honour (I dont doubt he is btw)On any redeclaration whilst Holub is under 5 he should only build a team to a limit that would keep Scunny under 42.50 if Holub was assessed as 5. Eg as he is now listed as 3 only build to 40.50 This way he can show he acts within the spirit of the rules and not just manipulate because he can. No other team is in the position where their assessed rider can drop to 3 so there is no chance Scunny can lose out taking this moral stance. All in the best interests of British Speedway surely??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Well technically it won't need changing for Karger and the like. Next season he'll come in on a 5.00 average but won't be a 'new' rider so his average will drop to 3.00 and the team can strengthen up! Unless the rules change and he fancies the NL you won't see Karger again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) Would it not be in the best interest for speedway to stick to proper averages and not have any restrictions in place. As it is the new ruling is flawed whichever way you look at it. Stick Holub on a five and place in the main body of the team, that only gives a stronger reserve rider the chance to take one of his rides... Is that fair? It can be argued that having him use his real average of three and a place at reserve actually weakens us! Edited May 8, 2016 by Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Fair doesn't come into it. Scunthorpe Speedway is dying on it's arse. They'll do anything to strengthen and keep what dwindling support they have left 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Fair doesn't come into it. Scunthorpe Speedway is dying on it's arse. They'll do anything to strengthen and keep what dwindling support they have left Where are we strengthening.... Lyager for Morris.. I don't necessarily think that strengthens us. Can't see any other great changes unless robs got something up his sleeve... I can't see us going out and getting a big hitting number one, that would be a financial disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 you cant afford him...... Good! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Where are we strengthening.... Lyager for Morris.. I don't necessarily think that strengthens us. Can't see any other great changes unless robs got something up his sleeve... I can't see us going out and getting a big hitting number one, that would be a financial disaster.now that change will need MC sanction - wonder if it will be forthcoming??? Is dropping a Brit with an established 4.5+ average for an assessed foreigner in the best interests of British Speedway?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Fair doesn't come into it. Scunthorpe Speedway is dying on it's arse. They'll do anything to strengthen and keep what dwindling support they have left That is simply not true... now that change will need MC sanction - wonder if it will be forthcoming??? Is dropping a Brit with an established 4.5+ average for an assessed foreigner in the best interests of British Speedway?? Its in the best interest of the club..simple fact Scunny have done more for british speedway than the rest put together now that change will need MC sanction - wonder if it will be forthcoming??? Is dropping a Brit with an established 4.5+ average for an assessed foreigner in the best interests of British Speedway?? Its in the best interest of the club..simple fact Scunny have done more for british speedway than the rest put together 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 now that change will need MC sanction - wonder if it will be forthcoming??? Is dropping a Brit with an established 4.5+ average for an assessed foreigner in the best interests of British Speedway?? Possibly not but every other club would do it if it suited them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 only league meetings should count towards averages, not the tin pot league cup which leaves the door open for blowing that competition to strengthen majorly for the league... Like scunny did a few years ago, it shouldnt be allowed... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Its in the best interest of the club..simple fact Scunny have done more for british speedway than the rest put together I dont dispute either of those points assuming Lyager produces a better return than Holub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Lyager would presumably become an asset whereas Morris wouldn't... Therefore gotta be in the best interest of the club to go down that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Possibly not but every other club would do it if it suited them. two wrongs dont nake a right as the old saying goes.only league meetings should count towards averages, not the tin pot league cup which leaves the door open for blowing that competition to strengthen majorly for the league... Like scunny did a few years ago, it shouldnt be allowed...agree totally - kocup are not included on the basis that all teams dont ride each other therefore it would skew the figures yet the regionalised lcup is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 only league meetings should count towards averages, not the tin pot league cup which leaves the door open for blowing that competition to strengthen majorly for the league... Like scunny did a few years ago, it shouldnt be allowed... Like scunny did a few years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Unless the rules change and he fancies the NL you won't see Karger again Really? We suffered Jan Graversen in GB for long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 At the start of the season our team plans changed because of the withdrawal of T Poole so we signed Klindt short term because of his Polish commitments. We then signed Morris short term because of Holubs injury with the intention of bringing Lyager in later. He has 2 bikes over here ready to race. No manipulation just a plan with a view to having assets of young riders that needed a bit of tinkering. We could have released Wilko & Davies who did well after 2 meetings but faded but Rob knew what they could do & gave them a chance to turn it round. The team was also built around a budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Really? We suffered Jan Graversen in GB for long enough. Graversen could pop out of the gate and win races occasionally. Can't see Peter Karger doing that any time soon That is simply not true... All of it? Some of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 In the case of Ashley Morris he knew he was only coming in until holub had an average wether that be a 3 or a 5 and that lyager would come in so I really don't see the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) only league meetings should count towards averages, not the tin pot league cup which leaves the door open for blowing that competition to strengthen majorly for the league... Like scunny did a few years ago, it shouldnt be allowed... Eh? Nothing like letting the facts get in the way. Scunny were on to qualify for the LC semi-finals that year, only for half the team to get injured at Berwick on the Saturday, and we then lost at home to Sheffield the following Monday and the Tigers nicked our place in the semis. Mind you, the mid-signing seasons of Nick Morris and Gary Irving were rather inspired. It all came about because poor Tom Armstrong smashed himself up badly after losing a chain at the EWR. All the best Rob Edited May 8, 2016 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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