Scunthorpe Scorpions 2016?

[New era Panthers]

it is comical tho ,

 

it is comical tho ,

and I wonder who was responsible for that rule change , oh I forgot Rob Godfrey is on the management committee. That's transparency for you clear as mud.

[lucifer sam]

It's all about interpretations and let's be fair this is just another one

 

Yup, it is an interpretation and could have gone either way.

 

Some folk have been quoting 18.6.2.1 without noticing that rule is sub rule of 18.6.2, which applies to "new" riders. Which begged the question, did 18.6.2.1 apply if the rider was not "new" in 2016?

 

It's arguable that Scunny may have been better off with Holub at 5.00 and Wilko's and Ash Morris's average below his. Time will tell if that was the case.

 

Personally, I hope it means that Wilko continues to score good points in the 1-5, while Holub gains confidence and scores good points at reserve. He's certainly capable of doing that.

 

All the best

Rob Peasley

Edited May 7, 2016 by lucifer sam

[hans fan]

 

and I wonder who was responsible for that rule change , oh I forgot Rob Godfrey is on the management committee. That's transparency for you clear as mud.

has he a cookie size hole to fill now ???

 

Yup, it is an interpretation and could have gone either way.

 

Some folk have been quoting 18.6.2.1 without noticing that rule is sub rule of 18.6.2, which applies to "new" riders. Which begged the question, did 18.6.2.1 apply if the rider was not "new" in 2016?

 

It's arguable that Scunny may have been better off with Holub at 5.00 and Wilko's and Ash Morris's average below his. Time will tell if that was the case.

 

Personally, I hope it means that Wilko continues to score good points in the 1-5, while Holub gains confidence and scores good points at reserve. He's certainly capable of doing that.

 

All the best

Rob Peasley

rules shouldn't be down to interpretation ,they should be so simple in black and white where everybody can understand and follow , interpretation shouldn't be down to which club/ promoter asks

[lucifer sam]

 

rules shouldn't be down to interpretation ,they should be so simple in black and white where everybody can understand and follow , interpretation shouldn't be down to which club/ promoter asks

 

Don't disagree with you, there. The last AGM took place with the old regime still in charge, so hopefully the new brooms can come up with something a bit more agreeable this winter. As others have said, speedway should be all about four blokes turning left for four laps.

 

All the best

Rob

[mikebaker]

RIP British Speedway. Another nail in the coffin for the sport. Will he gone in this country before 2020.

[eric i]

has he a cookie size hole to fill now ???

rules shouldn't be down to interpretation ,they should be so simple in black and white where everybody can understand and follow , interpretation shouldn't be down to which club/ promoter asks

That has always been the problem with speedway.

In this case though I don't think Scunny are trying to pull a fast one, they are going to sign Lyger which they could do regardless of Holubs average.

[Boothers]

Bloody ridiculous - one little word - new - not even New with a capital letter. Riders have according to 16.2 either Established MA,s, Assessed MA,s or Amended MA,s. No reference to new or even New. Holub has an Assessed MA of 7 and shouldn't drop below 5.

 

Will the last person left please turn the lights off when leaving.

[Alan_Jones]

As we've come to expect, yet another rule that's sloppily written and, if taken literally, doesn't say what they intended it to mean.

18.6 RIDERS MATCH AVERAGES (see Art 16.2 for Definitions) and GRADINGS

 

18.6.1 Riders new to Premier League racing are categorised as follows:

 

Cat 1: Riders with an end of the previous seasons published average in the Danish

Speedway League, Polish Ekstraliga or Swedish Elitserien of above 6.00 points

including riders subject to a Certificate of Sponsorship.

 

Cat 2: Riders with an end of the previous seasons published average in the Danish

Speedway League, Polish Ekstraliga or Swedish Elitserien of 6.00 and below plus

ALL other riders riding currently in any Professional Speedway League,

 

Cat 3: Riders not riding in a Professional League (ie.Denmark, Poland & Sweden)

 

Cat 4: Riders who are eligible to ride in the National Development League.

 

18.6.2 The Assessed MA's for new Riders to the PL racing is:

 

Cat 1 8.00

Cat 2 7.00

Cat 3 5.00

Cat 4 3.00

 

18.6.2.1 No rider with an Assessed MA, other than the Category 4 rider, can drop below 5.00 at any time during the Season.

 

18.6.3 Where a rider has a PL Established MA from the previous season, then this MA is used.

 

18.6.4 If a rider has only an EL Established MA from the previous season, which must not exceed 6.00, then a conversion is necessary; the EL MA is multiplied by 1.4.

The first thing that leaps out to me is that 18.6.2.1 begins "No rider" not "No new rider" but it appears that the subtle clue to the intended meaning is that 18.6.2.1 is an addition to 18.6.2

 

I apologise for the geeky nature of this post and, like most people, on Sunday I'll just be watching "4 riders, 4laps etc." but at some stage in the very near future those in charge are going to have to get a grip on this sort of stuff that is killing the sport.

[Panthers89]

Ofcourse by next season, Riders like Karger and all other assessed average riders, this rule would of been changed by the powers that be.

Edited May 7, 2016 by Panthers89

[Arson fire]

What a load of horsesh!t hes an assessed rider, another example of the MC driving buses through loopholes.... Desperate or what.

[Paul Johnson]

Holoub is not a new rider to the priemier league...A rule has been brought in this season, whereby foreign riders new to British Speedway starting on an assessed average of 8.00, 7.00 or 5.00 cannot drop below 5.00. However, Holub is not a new rider this season, having signed for the Scorpions in August 2015 and been continuously in Scunthorpe’s declared 1-7 since then.(quoted from glasgow v scunny preview)... same will apply to Lyager i presume

[Najjer]

As promised:

 

http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=5417

 

All the best

Rob

Pathetic. Clear and transparent they said.... Then a member of the management committee pulls that one. Like I said, pathetic.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Complete and utter bollax!!

Should be min 5 no question.

 

Just as well the no7 is protected or he would soon be shipped out for more foreign dross.

Edited May 7, 2016 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

the word NEW has just suddenly came out of thin air though

[peterborough daz]

the word NEW has just suddenly came out of thin air though

All in the best interests of speedway

[screm]

Dont have a problem with Scunthorpe taking advantage of a rule, or finding a loop hole and making it work in their favour. What I do find strange is the Scunthorpe promoter, as part of the management committee, cant see its not in the interests of PL speedway where you have a rider who can come in on a 7pt average yet cant average 3pts on his first true average.

 

Is the rider good enough for our PL.

[Panthers89]

So logically, if your team has no chance in the play offs, you may aswell, sign 3-4 newbies on a 7.00 average, who can show potential, smash in top scores, then sign them for the following season, tell them to ride as crap as possible, get four 3.00 riders who will make a mockery of there starting averages, and sign 3 big heat heatleaders?

 

It's all legal etc.

[New era Panthers]

So logically, if your team has no chance in the play offs, you may aswell, sign 3-4 newbies on a 7.00 average, who can show potential, smash in top scores, then sign them for the following season, tell them to ride as crap as possible, get four 3.00 riders who will make a mockery of there starting averages, and sign 3 big heat heatleaders?

 

It's all legal etc.

That's the logic, very clever or sharky move depending on what side of the fence you're on

[peterborough daz]

So it's ok to use a 3 point foreign wobbler in Holub but Panthers can't use cook and stokes

[Islander15]

Ofcourse by next season, Riders like Karger and all other assessed average riders, this rule would of been changed by the powers that be.

 

Well technically it won't need changing for Karger and the like. Next season he'll come in on a 5.00 average but won't be a 'new' rider so his average will drop to 3.00 and the team can strengthen up!

 

Also Campton is on an assessed 5.00 at Workington, yet he isn't 'new' to the PL.