Boothers Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Rule 16.3.2 Riders with an assessed Match Average (other than assessed 3.00) cannot be removed from a team re-declaration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 To answer my own question Procter is saying he is aiming to be back in the UK by mid May. Workington might have first dibs on his services having done a deal with him close season ?. I was thinking about contracts in speedway; they cannot be worth the paper they are written on. You agree a deal with a rider; and then just because it goes a bit Pete Tong; riders are soon shipped out with little sentiment. I know Rob; is quite loyal to his riders so decisions are not made without a bit of thought at Scunthorpe; but generally in speedway they're seems little sentiment today. I suppose you have to do what you thinks right for the business. When a rider loses out in any team changes; what is the deal; are they club assets ?; are speedway contracts like "zero hours" "we will call you" when there is some work; because it seems that way to me. Looking back to the 70's-80's hey days barring injury the same seven riders ploughed on through the season regardless. Look at Scunthorpe in 1972 bottom of the league the entire season and I do not recollect much change in the septet of riders. So what is a speedway riders contract with any club worth today ? ...zilch I suppose. Then I am thinking about Tai Woffinden at Wolverhampton. Correct me here by all means; but Tai is a Wolves asset; for which they paid money to secure his services. When he joined Rye House did they buy his contract from us in 2008 and then sell him to Wolves in 2009 ? Or did he remain a Scunthorpe asset and we sold him to Wolves ? Either way he is now World Speedway Champion; and decides to sit out the British Speedway season and ride abroad. So is he could be said to be "withholding his services" as a Wolverhampton employee?. Not having Tai Woffinden riding for Wolves has to be damaging to the business of Wolverhampton Speedway; before you start thinking of the wider implications to the sport generally in the UK. Tai has to be the most valuable asset British Speedway has at the moment; let alone Wolves, and yet he has no involvement with the speedway in the UK directly. This applies to numerous high profile (mostly Grand Prix) "club assets" in UK speedway today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Then I am thinking about Tai Woffinden at Wolverhampton. Correct me here by all means; but Tai is a Wolves asset; for which they paid money to secure his services. When he joined Rye House did they buy his contract from us in 2008 and then sell him to Wolves in 2009 ? Or did he remain a Scunthorpe asset and we sold him to Wolves ? Tai rode for Scunny in 2006 & 2007, but as a CL only club, they weren't allowed to sign assets. Wolves signed Tai as an asset at the end of 2006. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Tai rode for Scunny in 2006 & 2007, but as a CL only club, they weren't allowed to sign assets. Wolves signed Tai as an asset at the end of 2006. All the best Rob Thank you Rob for correcting me there; so he never was our asset; but is an asset of the Monmore business and presumably contracted in some way; that would allow both parties flexibility to exercise the contract or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Rule 16.3.2 Riders with an assessed Match Average (other than assessed 3.00) cannot be removed from a team re-declaration. does that mean that holob cannot bet dropped to make way for a new rider and still stays on the 7.00 average all season if he does not reach the magic 7.00 ? so he can only be replaced if he is injured, is that correct ? any change will have to be made by dropping any of the other 4 team members, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) does that mean that holob cannot bet dropped to make way for a new rider and still stays on the 7.00 average all season if he does not reach the magic 7.00 ? so he can only be replaced if he is injured, is that correct ? any change will have to be made by dropping any of the other 4 team members, . No; I think it means that whilst Zdneck has an assessed average he cannot be dropped. At the moment he still has a 7.00CMA as he has not ridden sufficient meetings; and therefore carries that assessed average; until the next set of official CMA's are calculated. Hence until then we are a little bit restricted if we want to make a change for Nicolai; than we eventually might be come mid-May. Zdneck is not immediately under threat; Andreas is the one who might have to hang fire until we know where we are with the team CMA. Till then R/R for Zdneck and a guest for Nicolai; I think. Edited April 14, 2016 by the outsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Nicki Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) Till then R/R for Zdneck and a guest for Nicolai; I think. Haven't Scunthorpe re-declared their 1 - 7, with Ashley Morris replacing Klindt and therefore there is no Facility available for Klindt, only for Holub until he returns from injury? Edited April 14, 2016 by Multumesc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted April 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Ashley is a temporary signing like Theo was last year. Rob says if he does a good job for the Scorps he could end up staying like Theo did.. He's at reserve and that means Wilko has to be in main team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Haven't Scunthorpe re-declared their 1 - 7, with Ashley Morris replacing Klindt and therefore there is no Facility available for Klindt, only for Holub until he returns from injury? That is the case. Last Sunday, Nicolai was in Poland, so it was a choice of bring in a new signing (Ashley Morris), or use a National League guest rider (NL average up to 6.00), because a facility would not have been available for Nicolai. R/R for Holub again tomorrow at Somerset, with Wilko up in team and Ash Morris at reserve. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 That is the case. Last Sunday, Nicolai was in Poland, so it was a choice of bring in a new signing (Ashley Morris), or use a National League guest rider (NL average up to 6.00), because a facility would not have been available for Nicolai. R/R for Holub again tomorrow at Somerset, with Wilko up in team and Ash Morris at reserve. All the best Rob Do you know when Holub is likely to be back? The Plymouth meeting or are we looking at May? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Haven't Scunthorpe re-declared their 1 - 7, with Ashley Morris replacing Klindt and therefore there is no Facility available for Klindt, only for Holub until he returns from injury? Cripes I am confused; sorry Ash totally overlooked you !; yes of course. You did well Sunday fella; your efforts worth more than the 4pts by the way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 does that mean that holob cannot bet dropped to make way for a new rider and still stays on the 7.00 average all season if he does not reach the magic 7.00 ? so he can only be replaced if he is injured, is that correct ? any change will have to be made by dropping any of the other 4 team members, . No, but 18.6.2.1 states: No rider with an assessed MA can drop below a 5.00 average during the season. (Think there's something in there that takes the 3.00 reserves out of the equation.) But basically if you have a 5 or 7 point assessed rider signed at the beginning of the season, you're stuck with him on a 5.00 whatever happens. Whether after he's done enough meetings to 'earn' a proper average but is still 'forced' to assume a 5.00 average I don't know if this is still considered to be 'assessed' meaning he can't be dropped or 'earned' meaning he can be replaced I honestly don't know. We shall wait and see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 No, but 18.6.2.1 states: No rider with an assessed MA can drop below a 5.00 average during the season. (Think there's something in there that takes the 3.00 reserves out of the equation.) But basically if you have a 5 or 7 point assessed rider signed at the beginning of the season, you're stuck with him on a 5.00 whatever happens. Whether after he's done enough meetings to 'earn' a proper average but is still 'forced' to assume a 5.00 average I don't know if this is still considered to be 'assessed' meaning he can't be dropped or 'earned' meaning he can be replaced I honestly don't know. We shall wait and see! I'm lost with all this Sooty send for Sweep ..izzy wizzy lets get busy ! can't we just have 7 riders; four laps in a race and have done with it; no matter what the size of their underpants ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Nicki Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 No, but 18.6.2.1 states: No rider with an assessed MA can drop below a 5.00 average during the season. (Think there's something in there that takes the 3.00 reserves out of the equation.) But basically if you have a 5 or 7 point assessed rider signed at the beginning of the season, you're stuck with him on a 5.00 whatever happens. Whether after he's done enough meetings to 'earn' a proper average but is still 'forced' to assume a 5.00 average I don't know if this is still considered to be 'assessed' meaning he can't be dropped or 'earned' meaning he can be replaced I honestly don't know. We shall wait and see! It's always fun trying to decipher the Regulations, particularly this year after the way the Tactical Ride facility for the PLC was re-written but not interpreted how it was, but FWIW, I think you are right in that: in 2016 a PL Rider with an Assessed Match Average of 8.00 (Category 1); 7.00 (Cat. 2) or; 5.00 (Cat. 3) cannot drop below an Assessed Match Average of 5.00 and whilst they are on an Assessed MA, they cannot be dropped. Holub is a Cat 2 on an Assessed MA of 7.00 and therefore cannot drop below a MA of 5.00. So, say his Calculated MA is 3.55 when (if) he has ridden the necessary 4 x home and 4 x away meetings to obtain a CMA then, even though his average is lower than 5.00 he has to continue to ride on an Assessed MA of 5.00 and, as this is an assessed average, he cannot be dropped from the team. If his average rose above 7.00, he could then be dropped. It has been suggested also that, any 'existing foreign rider' who is not on an assessed average will have to start the 2017 season on an Assessed MA of 5.00. For example, Paco Castagna at Ipswich, if he ends this season on a CMA of, say, 3.50, will be assessed as a 5.00 for the start of 2017. Just my interpretation though and may be way off here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Scunthorpre,rules,manipulation thiers always a way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimmy Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Scunthorpre,rules,manipulation thiers always a way Now Plymouth are saved lewy starts spouting about the scorpions..oh and learn how to spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) Of course i had no interest if my teams not competing oh and be careful what you post it would be very embarrassing if someone of your intelligence makes a mistake. Whens your team of racers going to start racing ? Edited April 14, 2016 by lewy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimmy Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Of course i had know interest if my teams not competing oh and be careful what you post it would be very embarrassing if someone of your intelligence makes a mistake. Whens your team of racers going to start racing ? on the 24th April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Lets hope so because if you cant beat the devils at home with the lack of track time our lads have had then you are really crap,i think scunny will have had about 6 more meeting than us. Josh auty impressed me though riding for his el side . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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