SCB Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Elite league anyone? I'd love to see EL speedway at Somerset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coomie Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I'd love to see EL speedway at Somerset not big enough crowds for elite wage bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willowman Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Elite league anyone?Perhaps the Premier League instead of the Champions League, yes. "Remember when the BSPA scrapped the Elite League in 2015? That was a bold move which saved British Speedway." And then I woke up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aroundtheboards Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Forgot to mention the points scored by this 18 year old riding at number one for Sheffield and Peterborough too.....his form dipped after his friend and room mate got seriously injured. He rides Sheffield and Peterborough well. let them have him. He needs to fledge. Oh and by the way keep a civil tongue in your head. Everyone's allowed their opinions, even you ! Oh, and by the way again, if you want to name drop (Jason Crump), I remember a very young Phil Crump dropping a few clangers as well !!! School tomorrow !!! Edited October 15, 2015 by Aroundtheboards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I actually think Kurtz the Younger would benefit from a year at least at a smaller track. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aroundtheboards Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I actually think Kurtz the Younger would benefit from a year at least at a smaller track. He certainly would ! He has proved himself at Somerset IMO but was becoming stagnant and now would be the time for him to gain more, full team experience with another club and rejuvenate that enthusiasm that he so obviously has. Don't get me wrong, I think he is one of the most exciting young riders around and will miss what he brings to our matches but he needs to spread his wings now. He's been good for Somerset and the Somerset experience has been good for him. Go Brady Boy !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) He started the season on a 7.54 and will end it with an average of 9.17 that’s not “stagnant” it couldn’t be further away from being motionless or lifeless. I would also question what benefit there is to Kurtz racing for a small track side, where is that going to benefit him in the future? There aren’t even that many small tracks in the UK anymore let alone the GP and the “small” tracks in the GP typically race like big tracks. He needs a racing brain which he seems to lack at times, but that will come, and it will probably be advanced racing on a track like Somerset more rather than less. Added to all of this, he is a kid, a young man who needs to adapt to the demands of a 40/50 meeting season, it is hardly surprising that has come as a struggle to him given this season is basically the first time he has ever had to do it, that “struggle” has also seen him hit, again, just to stress this, a stagnant 9.17 average. Edited October 16, 2015 by sparkafag 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 He started the season on a 7.54 and will end it with an average of 9.17 that’s not “stagnant” it couldn’t be further away from being motionless or lifeless. I would also question what benefit there is to Kurtz racing for a small track side, where is that going to benefit him in the future? There aren’t even that many small tracks in the UK anymore let alone the GP and the “small” tracks in the GP typically race like big tracks. He needs a racing brain which he seems to lack at times, but that will come, and it will probably be advanced racing on a track like Somerset more rather than less. Added to all of this, he is a kid, a young man who needs to adapt to the demands of a 40/50 meeting season, it is hardly surprising that has come as a struggle to him given this season is basically the first time he has ever had to do it, that “struggle” has also seen him hit, again, just to stress this, a stagnant 9.17 average. Agree ,18 year old with a 9.17 ave. They don't come around too often. Starke get a lot of praise but he has been around a while and was at reserve most of the season ,I find it incredible that fans can knock Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooksy Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) People claiming Brady should go to further his development. Where and why? Surely the only clubs that would be keen to take him on his 9 point average would be those where he has shown a liking for their track, like Peterborough or Sheffield. So what would be the point of that? He's not going to learn anymore at those places than staying at Somerset. I can't see a team like Edinburgh giving up 9 points of their allowance on a rider who seems to struggle at Arnadale for example. And why would Brady choose to go to a club where he is going to struggle to score maybe 7 or 8 every home fixture when he could be scoring double figures every week. Financially it's a no-brainer. The best way for Brady to develop is another season at number 1 for the Rebels, guaranteeing a healthy income, whilst doubling up with Poole, I guess, to further his Speedway education. Edited October 16, 2015 by Barney Rebel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Bit of apples and pears being mixed up here. Kurtz the Younger started the season on a 7.54 average but ended it on 8.73, not 9.17. (9.17 is with the 5% guest uplift or coincidentally his 2015 average including BPs.) 1.19 is a good increase but not rocket ship. His away average without BPs was only 7.77, nearly 2 points down on his home average. For comparison, the much criticised Cookie increased his non-BP average by 1.16, so pretty much the same improvement. I agree that Mr. Kurtz needs to develop his racing brain but I don't think that will come more quickly at the drop clutch and twist throttle to max tracks like Somerset, Sheffield & Peterborough, even if he is entertaining to watch there. Just my opinion of course!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 He's always struggled at Ipswich in the five meetings he has done there, never scored more than 6 points excluding bonus points. Doesn't seem to have any throttle control there. Maybe he has to learn to ride tracks like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Totally agree Bash!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Ow he only finished with a 8.73 average, what a disaster. I would assume Kurtz would quite comfortably carry a comparable PL average to Cook when he is the same age, although the chances of him racing PL speedway at the age of 28 should his career carry on the same trajectory are pretty slim, although what Cook has to do with it I don't know, he isn't really the water mark for a rider like Kurtz. Edited October 16, 2015 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pob Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 He's always struggled at Ipswich in the five meetings he has done there, never scored more than 6 points excluding bonus points. Doesn't seem to have any throttle control there. Maybe he has to learn to ride tracks like this. How he didn't end up in the stock car track in one of his races this year at foxhall i will never know. Blasted out of gate 4 then seemed to be heading to get fish and chips instead of turning left ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooksy Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 He's always struggled at Ipswich in the five meetings he has done there, never scored more than 6 points excluding bonus points. Doesn't seem to have any throttle control there. Maybe he has to learn to ride tracks like this. So do you think Ipswich should try to sign him on a near 9 point average for next season?........Why would you? Who wants a home no.1 who can't score more than 6? Brady will learn how to ride such tracks in time, but not as a 'home' rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Hmmm, couple of things, he is 19, with one and a half seasons under his belt. I predicted he would become the No 1 at Somerset and he has. Pointless really riding for any other track where he has so obviously taken to the OTA. Many riders have bogey tracks which they struggle with at any time in their careers, I remember John Jorgensen being clueless at Rye and how good was he. Looks like doubling up with Poole next year where riding with Holder will help him immensely, pointless travelling miles to ride for another Prem team. Cook should go full time Elite next year so I'm looking at Brady being right up there with King and Stead as top bananas in the Prem.Unless Gary has some other direction for erthe Rebels I'm guessing Brady will be on the must keep paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 He rides Sheffield and Peterborough well. let them have him. He needs to fledge. Oh and by the way keep a civil tongue in your head. Everyone's allowed their opinions, even you !Oh, and by the way again, if you want to name drop (Jason Crump), I remember a very young Phil Crump dropping a few clangers as well !!! School tomorrow !!! Blimey simmer down ATB! In any case, is Somerset that much of a big track? By my reckoning there are only 4 tracks in the PL that are smaller than the OTA Edinburgh, Rye House, Redcar and Plymouth. Of those tracks, Kurtz has scored ok at Redcar and Plymouth. He openly admits he doesn't like Edinburgh, and he is joined in his dislike for that track by Jason Doyle (sorry to name drop again!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 That's because Doyley lost to James Bates when Bates was very much a junior!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stBendTiger Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 That's because Doyley lost to James Bates when Bates was very much a junior!! Do you mean Josh Bates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Blimey simmer down ATB! In any case, is Somerset that much of a big track? By my reckoning there are only 4 tracks in the PL that are smaller than the OTA Edinburgh, Rye House, Redcar and Plymouth. Of those tracks, Kurtz has scored ok at Redcar and Plymouth. He openly admits he doesn't like Edinburgh, and he is joined in his dislike for that track by Jason Doyle (sorry to name drop again!!) I honestly believe Kurtz is ready for EL full time, skip another year in PL & look for a lower division in Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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