Reviresco Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 No problem Joe. (David Steen was another Zimbabwean, I think.) I'm happy to be corrected, but I'm pretty sure that both the Prinsloos were born in Zimbabwe and both Peter and his brother Chris rode for Rhodesia in Tests against South Africa. Chris was Deon's father. Deon tragically passed away as a result of a car accident before he had reached 40. Looking at Belarus again, there was a Belarus team that took part in the World Team Cup qualification in 1994, represented by Viktor Sidorenko, who won their heat against Slovakia, and Sergei Manuilov with Leonid Taranov as an unused reserve. (Sidorenko and Taranov also rode for Belarus in the Ice Team Championships.) So you may want to make up the Belarus team from their names. (I see that Kazachstan have been in the Ice Team Championship final a few times, but you probably don't want to go down that route.) Rest of the World 'A' & 'B' sounds like a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Yes, the Prinsloos were definitely from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. Born in Gwelo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 More added. I was pondering if to put the only Brazilian star who we all know currently riding into the Rest of the World C or is that along the Loram/Crump line of thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 If I can't have Loram you can't have Lindbaeck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Surely there is a Slovak partner for Martin Vaculik? I was doing a bit of research and stumbled over the web-site of the Zarnovica Speedway Club, Slovakia and don't know why but remembered there was this Thread and that we hadn't found a Slovak partner for Martin Vaculik. A bit of further searching turned up that both Patrik Buri and Michal Tomka took part in the World U21 Qualifier that was held at Zarnovica on 30 May last year, scoring 4 and 2 points respectively: http://www.speedwayclub.sk/jazdci http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/14513/world-u21-qualifer-zarnovica-2015 So, if you are still interested, you may want to add a Slovak pair with either of these two partnering Vaculik. (Michal Tomka looks as if he may be a prospect having just turned 17 in November.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Just seen this and not that it makes much difference and turns Austria into a great side,but surely Leopold Killmeyer should be one of their riders,having been runner up 3 times in the Paris run world finals?Neither Funk nor Hauzinger had anything like that record Uhlenbrock's inclusion for East Germany is also very questionable considering his record https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Deutschen_Meister_im_Speedway And not a great fan of Smolinski,but maybe his record of actually riding in the series and winning a GP and a few national titles puts him ahead of Maier?Just a thought there Edited February 25, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 So which country would actually win the meeting? Sweden probably have the strongest pair in Fundin and Rickardsson, but both were individuals, rather than team men. Could they end up dropping points from racing each other? New Zealand probably would fare better in that regard, and I think Mauger/Moore would be NZ’s most suitable pairing for a pairs event. They’d be major contenders and in with a shout. But I think I’d plump for Nielsen and Gundersen. They were each other’s biggest rival, but there was mutual respect there as well, and they could combine together brilliantly. Most World Pairs titles? Nielsen. Second most? Gundersen. Hard to look elsewhere really. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Good thinking Rob. I agree that Mauger/Moore would be a better pairing than Mauger/Briggs and could hold the key to the meeting. If Moore can gate in front of the Danish and Swedish pairings he would be very hard to pass allowing Mauger to shoot off and win. There should be some great speedway when those three pairs meet! Throw in Duggan/Young or Wilkinson/Duggan plus Farndon/Craven I'd even pay to go and watch! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Around Hyde Road Collins and Morton would take some beating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Around Hyde Road Collins and Morton would take some beating! I think I would take Mauger and Briggo over those two.Ivan had a few great seasons there(11.67,11.18,11.33,11.37....some record) and what about Briggos BLRC record...... Edited February 25, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) I think I would take Mauger and Briggo over those two.Ivan had a few great seasons there(11.67,11.18,11.33,11.37....some record) and what about Briggos BLRC record...... Not sure what this thread is particularly about (haven't read it from the start!!) but all I know is that Collins and Morton took some beating as a pair round Hyde Road. Even the "Main Dane' Hans Nielsen I recall being out-foxed by the pair on one of my visits. Edited February 25, 2016 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) I also haven't read it from the beginning,but it seems to have developed into a 'pick the bet pair for a country'.Now obviously Morton wouldn't feature in hardly anyones best pair for England,but given you say Belle Vue then ok.But Ivan and Barry were super there.In the pairs meetings that were held at Belle Vue Ivan beat PC both times(74 + 77) and at their best i'd take Briggo to beat Morton even if he didn't beat PC,which he probably would have more often than not.So at best i'd say a 4-2 to NZ .I understand what you are doing,but by choosing BV,you are choosing one of the best tracks for the NZ pairing Edited February 25, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I also haven't read it from the beginning,but it seems to have developed into a 'pick the bet pair for a country'.Now obviously Morton wouldn't feature in hardly anyones best pair for England,but given you say Belle Vue then ok.But Ivan and Barry were super there.In the pairs meetings that were held at Belle Vue Ivan beat PC both times(74 + 77) and at their best i'd take Briggo to beat Morton even if he didn't beat PC,which he probably would have more often than not.So at best i'd say a 4-2 to NZ .I understand what you are doing,but by choosing BV,you are choosing one of the best tracks for the NZ pairing I agree as regards the past form of Mauger and Briggs at Belle Vue but not sure if Briggs was technically a very good 'team rider' (unlike Ronnie Moore)? However Collins and Morton did win the World Pairs for England in 1984 beating possible favourites Nielsen & Gundersen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I agree as regards the past form of Mauger and Briggs at Belle Vue but not sure if Briggs was technically a very good 'team rider' (unlike Ronnie Moore)? However Collins and Morton did win the World Pairs for England in 1984 beating possible favourites Nielsen & Gundersen.Around Belle Vue Mauger/Briggs for me would of been a formidable pair ? how good was Michanek/T.Jansson as a partnership not bad.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) I agree as regards the past form of Mauger and Briggs at Belle Vue but not sure if Briggs was technically a very good 'team rider' (unlike Ronnie Moore)? However Collins and Morton did win the World Pairs for England in 1984 beating possible favourites Nielsen & Gundersen.Not sure what you mean "unlike Moore". Ronnie Moore is generally reckoned to be the greatest team rider of all time, while Briggo has the complete opposite reputation! Edit: Just reread. Sorry, thst's what you're getting at isn't it!? Doh! Edited February 26, 2016 by norbold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Not sure what you mean "unlike Moore". Ronnie Moore is generally reckoned to be the greatest team rider of all time, while Briggo has the complete opposite reputation! Edit: Just reread. Sorry, thst's what you're getting at isn't it!? Doh! Hi Norbold, Although I didn't get to see much of Ronnie Moore I recognised his great team riding abilities and a friend of mine would often tell me of his exploits whereby he would often slow a race down to help out his partner. I read recently (Backtrack?) that Briggo, however, was not the greatest exponent of the art and I can't really remember an occasion although I saw him often as he rode for the' enemy' (the 'Budgies') just down the road! PS One of the worse exponents of the art (Oxford) was Graham Drury! Didn't have a clue and I recall occasions when he would run colleagues (unintentionally) into the fence! Edited February 26, 2016 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Fundin had a reputation (not sure if it was justified?) for being very selfish on track. Jimmy Gooch moved from Norwich to Oxford in 1964, because (might have my details slightly out here, but I believe the general gist is correct) he thumped Fundin, after Gooch finally lost his patience at taken out by Fundin. Or was it that Fundin thumped Gooch for daring to beat him? In any case, I don't think there was much love lost between Fundin and some of his team-mates. When Tony Rickardsson joined Oxford briefly in 2006, he took team-mates out of the race, although Piszcz or Skornicki didn't actually confront him. He had an unsettling effect on the rest of the team, and as soon as Todd Wiltshire came in (Aaron Lanney, realising the problem, cut Rickardsson's six-week period to four weeks to bring Todd in early), the spirit rocketed and team performances improved. Maybe Oxford just caught Rickardsson at the wrong end of his career, since within a couple of months, he had retired altogether. But a one-tracked, selfish nature is sometimes what took riders took to the pinnacle in the first place. Most of the time supporters don't mind if the star rider is selfish, as long as he is banging in maximums and the team is winning. Some World Champions (Moore, Nielsen, Ermolenko, etc) were renowned team riders. All the best Rob Edited February 26, 2016 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Fundin had a reputation (not sure if it was justified?) for being very selfish on track. Jimmy Gooch moved from Norwich to Oxford in 1964, because (might have my details slightly out here, but I believe the general gist is correct) he thumped Fundin, after Gooch finally lost his patience at taken out by Fundin. Or was it that Fundin thumped Gooch for daring to beat him? In any case, I don't think there was much love lost between Fundin and some of his team-mates. When Tony Rickardsson joined Oxford briefly in 2006, he took team-mates out of the race, although Piszcz or Skornicki didn't actually confront him. He had an unsettling effect on the rest of the team, and as soon as Todd Wiltshire came in (Aaron Lanney, realising the problem, cut Rickardsson's six-week period to four weeks to bring Todd in early), the spirit rocketed and team performances improved. Maybe Oxford just caught Rickardsson at the wrong end of his career, since within a couple of months, he had retired altogether. But a one-tracked, selfish nature is sometimes what took riders took to the pinnacle in the first place. Most of the time supporters don't mind if the star rider is selfish, as long as he is banging in maximums and the team is winning. Some World Champions (Moore, Nielsen, Ermolenko, etc) were renowned team riders. All the best Rob Was never a fan of Tony Rickardsson. Whilst not disputing his six World Championship wins (albeit five achieved under the 'invitation' remit...aka as the Grand Prix!) his lack of awareness regarding his team mates was all too clear. Have recently watched a DVD whilst he was racing for Poole and his first and second bend manoeuvres paid scant regard of the whereabouts of his team mate! Never in the same league as Mauger, Nielsen, Olsen, Ermolenko etc etc. Edited February 26, 2016 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Was never a fan of Tony Rickardsson. Whilst not disputing his six World Championship wins (albeit five achieved under the 'invitation' remit...aka as the Grand Prix!) his lack of awareness regarding his team mates was all too clear. Have recently watched a DVD whilst he was racing for Poole and his first and second bend manoeuvres paid scant regard of the whereabouts of his team mate! Never in the same league as Mauger, Nielsen, Olsen, Ermolenko etc etc.Agree when Ricko got his third place behind Jan O i really liked him to be honest Steve he won it 6 times can't dispute that.But the format when he won it i think was easier for me he is not in my top four ever can't be but we can never dispute he was a great great rider. Edited February 26, 2016 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) Agree when Ricko got his third place behind Jan O i really liked him to be honest Steve he won it 6 times can't dispute that.But the format when he won it i think was easier for me he is not in my top four ever can't be but we can never dispute he was a great great rider. Hi Sidney, I don't know why but I never took a shine to Rickardsson. I admit his individual record is there for all to see but I tend to look more into a rider's ability when it comes to team ethic hence I will never quite see him in the same league of riders as the Maugers, Olsens, Nielsens, Ermolenkos (all World Champions) etc etc. One of my all time favourite riders was Gordon Kennett but he wasn't the greatest of team riders (although he and Steve Weatherley had an understanding on track) Edited February 27, 2016 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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